DHS releases data on immigration that has been kept hidden

[Kidlicious]

Obama had set a goal to double that regardless of quality.

[Jon Miller]

Obama hasn't been president for months.

JM

[pchang]

I prefer to go by one of Ronald Reagan's favorite maxims: Trust but Verify. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust,_but_verify

As for refugees going back to their home countries for a vacation.....
Bryan Mills told the French he was going on vacation when he went there too. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0936501/

[Kidlicious]

Obama hasn't been president for months.

JM

And yet he's kind of like the Messiah of the left unless you count Crazy Bernie.

[Proteus_MST]

Not in he same way s Trump is the Messiah of the right.
Obama never demanded to accept th words out of his mouth as sole truth and, even more important, didn't try to vilify media which criticised him

[rah]

Obama had his faults but he had class.
Trump has his faults but he's just a clown.

[Dinner]

Sure, dividing real refugees from those who come here for the money is always a problem.
Actually an even bigger problem is, to deport people whose refugee status has been revoked (for example because they have been labeled as economic refugees)
If they lost their papers of their country of origin (or intentionally threw them away) those countries of origin often refuse to issue replacement papers (or delay it for months or even years), so the refugees cannot be deported back home (as even rejected refugees are subject to the rules of law, they cannot just be thrown out over their home countries (if they cannot enter them, due to lacking papers).

But there is a big difference between the USA and germany (and other EU countries). The vetting of refugees who want to come into the USA is extreme and may take month or years. And only a small percentage of those who apply for refugee status in he USA are actually taken. I guess the vetting also includes checking the motives for coming to the USA (i.e. the probability for them being economic refugees, instead of really being persecuted (or in danger because of war) in their country of origin)

In contrast to this, it is far easier to get into germany (for one, germany (and the EU)) is much closer to the countries of origin of most refugees (whereas the refugees have to cross the atlantic to get to the USA), for the other, the vetting is much less extreme (for a short period of time (at the beginning of the ISIS crisis) there actually was no vetting in place at all), so it is also easier to get into germany (or EU countries) if yu are an economic refugee (actually it is a dilemma ... many refugees came/come across the mediterranean sea, so it is often a question of whether one lets them drown in their often not seaworth boats, or if on rescues them at sea, when their overloaded boats are going down)

So, complaining about 25k (and less) refugees per quartal (who only get into the country after extreme vetting) sounds like a luxury problem to me

All of thise problems are 100% due to the incompetence of the current German government. Every last one of them. Rather than acting as a ferry boat system for illegal alien criminals taking them to Europe simply drop them back off in Libya. Create a disturbance or refuse to get off the ship and you get shot, no questions asked, just shot. You riot on a military ship then you die, period. Make it clear that not a single person who enters illegally will EVER be able to call Germany home for any reason. Australia did that later part and magically the boat people stopped coming over night and people started using the legal approved system.

The utter incompetence of the EU makes the EU its own worst enemy.

[Kidlicious]

Not in he same way s Trump is the Messiah of the right.
Obama never demanded to accept th words out of his mouth as sole truth and, even more important, didn't try to vilify media which criticised him

Erm... We already hated fake news. We already hated the establishment. Trust me, Trump doesn't fight enough.

[Dinner]

Also, I completely disagree that the US has sufficient vetting of asylum claims. The MAJORITY of the time they cannot even independently verify basic things like name, date of birth, and place of birth. Lacking such basic verifiable information should be an automatic disqualifier.

[rah]

While that would be nice, what do you do for those who's villages were totally destroy along with all their records? They may be the most needy ones. IT's not always possible.

[Kidlicious]

I know what people will say to this but almost all the refugees going to Europe are fighting age men.

[Jon Miller]

What does that have to do with the refugees coming to America?

And if you were in a war torn country and didn't want to fight, wouldn't you be a refugee too, especially if you were a fighting age man?

jm

[Jon Miller]

Also, I completely disagree that the US has sufficient vetting of asylum claims. The MAJORITY of the time they cannot even independently verify basic things like name, date of birth, and place of birth. Lacking such basic verifiable information should be an automatic disqualifier.

A lot of people in poor/etc parts of the world can't verify that even if in the 'best' of situations.

Looking at their connections and contacts, which the US does do, is the most important vetting.

JM

[Ming]

I know what people will say to this but almost all the refugees going to Europe are fighting age men.

According to the Pew Research,
Male Total = 73%
Male Age
0-17 = 19%
18-34 = 42%
34+ = 12%

So how does this translate to almost all? Typical Kidiot

[Kidlicious]

What does that have to do with the refugees coming to America?

And if you were in a war torn country and didn't want to fight, wouldn't you be a refugee too, especially if you were a fighting age man?

jm

Well if they don't have jobs, and they aren't taking care of children they are likely going to get into trouble. Single men cause more trouble especially when they don't have jobs.