First Russian Installed President of the USA

[The Mad Monk]

Lonestar's here! WE'RE SAVED!

[BeBMan]

Fairness is a hilarious concept in intl politcs:

1.

"In WW2 the allies had way more stuff than the axis - why was it so unfair???"

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2.

"Germany started it! In the matter of fairness, everyone should now start WWs!"

"True, but then in the matter of fairness your country would lose the war big time, then lose some of its territory and also would be split for several decades in result!"

"Oh shut up!"

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3. "Country X did stuff which was bad. So it's only fair to do stuff for everyone, but don't you dare calling it bad then!"

[kentonio]

As the Russian 'interference' seems to have largely consisted of showing the American people hacked emails of things Hillary actually had done, it doesn't seem like the biggest distortion of democracy ever.

[rah]

Is it any different than an article in newspaper. Or an FBI report.

[Dauphin]

As the Russian 'interference' seems to have largely consisted of showing the American people hacked emails of things Hillary actually had done, it doesn't seem like the biggest distortion of democracy ever.

I'd agree if the hack also revealed a whole load of stuff about Trump, like his tax returns, or hitherto unknown illicit business dealings.

[BeBMan]

"First Russian Installed President of the USA" is fakenews of course, as Russians aren't eligible in those elections, and I also think accusing Trump of being a secret Russian goes too far.

[rah]

I'd agree if the hack also revealed a whole load of stuff about Trump, like his tax returns, or hitherto unknown illicit business dealings.

Does fox news reveal crap about both? All biased news outlets slant their coverage.

I'm not saying it's right, but I don't see a lot of difference.

[Dauphin]

Does fox news reveal crap about both? All biased news outlets slant their coverage.

I'm not saying it's right, but I don't see a lot of difference.

Is Fox news a foreign state actor that is undertaking illegal hacking?

News media can be as biased as they like, but isn't there a law in the U.S. that says federal employees aren't permitted to engage in political activity? Not that these are federal employees, but that would be a closer analogy than the role of the press. And are foreign states allowed to engage in political activity in the U.S.? Seems like something the U.S. is rather against given that foreign contributions to U.S. political parties are banned.

[Dauphin]

(BTW, not saying Russia is responsible or involved, I'm using it as a given for the purpose of the debate)

[kentonio]

Is Fox news a foreign state actor that is undertaking illegal hacking?

News media can be as biased as they like, but isn't there a law in the U.S. that says federal employees aren't permitted to engage in political activity? Not that these are federal employees, but that would be a closer analogy than the role of the press. And are foreign states allowed to engage in political activity in the U.S.? Seems like something the U.S. is rather against given that foreign contributions to U.S. political parties are banned.

No of course not, but as the final outcome of this interference appears to have been that the US public found out more actual true things than they knew before, it's hard to care that much. True, they didn't find out an equal number of true things they didn't know about Trump, but they already knew he was a lying, racist, misogynist ****weasel who admitted to sexual assault on tape, it's not like 'oh he didn't pay all his taxes' was going to scare them off.

[rah]

The real question is OVERALL who had more **** said about him/her by the media in total. I know you can't know that for sure but interested in people's perceptions.

I think Trump got more negative coverage, due to his douchebaggery. How about others.

[Jon Miller]

No of course not, but as the final outcome of this interference appears to have been that the US public found out more actual true things than they knew before, it's hard to care that much. True, they didn't find out an equal number of true things they didn't know about Trump, but they already knew he was a lying, racist, misogynist ****weasel who admitted to sexual assault on tape, it's not like 'oh he didn't pay all his taxes' was going to scare them off.

What if the taxes show that he owes billions to Russian banks/etc?

JM

[Kidlicious]

What if the taxes show that he owes billions to Russian banks/etc?

JM

What if unicorns like pizza?

[Aeson]

Main reason the hacking is different than biased media (or even a leak) is that the hacking was a breach in security (that certainly extended far beyond just emails) by those who almost surely want to harm the US.

[giblets]

how r00d