No Man's Sky

[Sava]

I wonder if buying a PS4 is better than keep upgrading the PC which as time goes by gets harder and harder to justify

You can build a PC more powerful than either Xbone or PS4 for the same price.

There's absolutely no reason to play a game on a console if it is released on PC. None. It's just an inferior product.

[Giancarlo]

You can build a PC more powerful than either Xbone or PS4 for the same price.

There's absolutely no reason to play a game on a console if it is released on PC. None. It's just an inferior product.

And you can use an Xbox remote on computer. And there is also Steam link which is cool... If playing on the TV is more your wave length.

[kentonio]

You may be right about certain aspects, but more are upgrading their computers for a far lower cost. I just upgraded the processor and motherboard for $170 and that is considered upper mid range. Prices are plummeting for parts (SSD prices have the most pronounced drop). Meanwhile consoles are still more dated than even older PCs and still charge an arm and leg for games. I could also argue quality wise PC games are definitely ahead.

Depends what you call 'older' PC's really. There are no actual figures available (or at least none that Ive ever found) that show definitively how often the average person upgrades, but there's a kind of feeling that PC gamers tend to buy a new PC every 5 years or so. The number of people who actually upgrade individual parts is a LOT lower, as even though its not difficult, it's still seen as technically beyond most PC owners to open the case and start switching parts around. The PS4 and XBOne are certainly more powerful for gaming than a lot of the PC rigs that many people are still using, and because the architecture is designed primarily for gaming they can outperform many PC's that on paper have more processing power. A lot of PC manufacturers are still building PC's with inferior graphics cards and other parts to allow them to market what seems like a very powerful PC at a low cost, purely because most people don't have the first idea what most of the specs actually mean.

But hey I will even admit I had fun on a PS4. It isn't horrible. It is good. I just prefer computer. I will be getting the new old Nintendo mini classic I think they call it. It will have 30 or so nostaglic games... But that's a different subject. Might even get the NX when that comes out. I did grow up playing both PCs and consoles, but was always preferring computers. Still, both can be great fun.

I must admit that what we've heard of the NX so far doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. Nintendo hit an absolute goldmine with the Wii, and then instead of following that simple strategy moving forward (low spec machine designed for the family that basically anyone can pick up and play from a kid to a grandparent) they seemed to completely ignore what they'd just learned and went back to building mid level consoles with odd features that only geeky gamers were likely to care about, like the seperate gamepad screen on the WiiU. I'd be willing to bet the NX is going to crash and burn just as badly as the WiiU did, but who knows maybe they'll surprise us again.

Also one other note... I need to look for my SNES and Sega Genesis. Collector items. Too bad Saturn basically destroyed Sega... Who knows what they would be releasing now.

I love Sega, but what killed them was actually their games/marketing during the Dreamcast era. The Dreamcast was a better machine than the Playstation in most ways (including online multiplayer!) and they produced some genuinely wonderful and weird games, but they put too much money into a couple of their titles (they spent tens of millions on Shenmue for instance. To make their money back they'd have had to sell a copy to basically every single person who owned a Dreamcast ) and the massive success of the PS1 just left them floundering. Typical Sega though, they are wildly creative but when it comes to the business side they always seem to fall short next to their competitors. They are absolute legends though, and I hope they never totally disappear.

[kentonio]

You can build a PC more powerful than either Xbone or PS4 for the same price.

There's absolutely no reason to play a game on a console if it is released on PC. None. It's just an inferior product.

If you have the knowledge to build a really top drawer PC, then sure that's generally true. There can be issues with testing however. Testing for consoles is pretty straightforward as you just have the couple of platforms, whereas on PC you have literally thousands of different processors, firmwares, graphics cards and so on. It's not at all unusual for a PC game to just **** the bed on a particular PC setup, despite the devs having invested heavily into testing. The main attraction for many console gamers is just the simplicity, if you buy a console game you generally know it will work exactly how its supposed to work just by putting in the disk. That's an often underestimated benefit.

[Giancarlo]

Um I don't think you need a top level video card to beat consoles though. That can be done with an affordable midrange card. The consoles aren't better than that. That is where this disagreement is here. Other than that... Understandable.

As far as NX, we need to wait and see.

[Sava]

If you have the ability to follow simple step by step instructions, then sure that's generally true.

Fixed that for you.

There can be issues with testing however. Testing for consoles is pretty straightforward as you just have the couple of platforms, whereas on PC you have literally thousands of different processors, firmwares, graphics cards and so on. It's not at all unusual for a PC game to just **** the bed on a particular PC setup, despite the devs having invested heavily into testing. The main attraction for many console gamers is just the simplicity, if you buy a console game you generally know it will work exactly how its supposed to work just by putting in the disk. That's an often underestimated benefit.

None of this is relevant... unless I'm trying to do your job. Which I'm not.

Also, every console game I've bought in the last x years has had a day 0 update.

Wonderful to buy a game and then have to wait for an update to play.

But I'm sure that "bug free" (LOLOL what reality do you live in) console experience makes up for playing at a potato resolution and graphics settings.

Oh, and if you use Xbone, you have the luxury of paying for internet... and then paying for something else just to play multiplayer.

Add that cost, and consoles are easily the more costly gaming option as well.



Only a retarded fool would buy one instead of a PC

[kentonio]

Also, every console game I've bought in the last x years has had a day 0 update.

That's a whole other kettle of fish, I probably shouldn't get into.

But I'm sure that "bug free" (LOLOL what reality do you live in) console experience makes up for playing at a potato resolution and graphics settings.

No-one said console games were bug free, but they see a lot less unexpected hardware issues because they are just a single platform.

Oh, and if you use Xbone, you have the luxury of paying for internet... and then paying for something else just to play multiplayer.

Add that cost, and consoles are easily the more costly gaming option as well.

No arguments there from me.

Only a retarded fool would buy one instead of a PC

Lol, for most of us retarded fools they're a good option to complement a PC, not replace one. Then again I don't have to pay for my hardware or games.

[Giancarlo]

If you have the knowledge to build a really top drawer PC, then sure that's generally true. There can be issues with testing however. Testing for consoles is pretty straightforward as you just have the couple of platforms, whereas on PC you have literally thousands of different processors, firmwares, graphics cards and so on. It's not at all unusual for a PC game to just **** the bed on a particular PC setup, despite the devs having invested heavily into testing. The main attraction for many console gamers is just the simplicity, if you buy a console game you generally know it will work exactly how its supposed to work just by putting in the disk. That's an often underestimated benefit.

You act as if someone needs to spend money on a top drawer PC. Realize that even midrange PCs beat consoles. Midrange PCs that can be bought for around the same price as many consoles. Console games are a complete rip off too. Sorry to say it, but it's true. And your point about testing is pretty much nonsense. PC Game testing is far more rigorous and thorough. I've seen console games blow chunks on certain consoles... can you upgrade the console? Didn't think so.

[kentonio]

Sure, what would I know..

[BeBMan]

For anyone that are interested in picking this game up, I'd recommend watching some streams or gameplay-videos so to get a better understanding of what type of game this actually is

Yeah, I read comments about this game, and - high price aside - they seem to be split into "absolute love" and "absolute disappointment"

The main pt. of controversy seems to be that this has (from what I understand) a large exploration part where you travel around to discover more systems/planets, but it does not always end in encounters, action or anything similar. So - ppl who played may correct me if my impession is wrong - it seems the game is not for ppl who seek a big space action part.

Though from the trailer there seems to be some of it, but it seems it is not the most important aspect of the game.

[Giancarlo]

The thing I like about buying on Steam is if you don't like it, you can get a refund for the game. Or even CDKeys (which is basically a legit reseller of steam codes... they don't seem to be selling this one though).

[kentonio]

Nah BeBro, it's not a great space action game.

[BeBMan]

I see, well, I don't need perma-action, but also don't want someth. without any. A nice balance between more calm parts and more action-oriented stuff does it for me.

[Giancarlo]

What?? You don't like endless action where you are like Rambo? I can't fathom a game with even a second of a break. Kidding lol.

I play a mix of casual and nonstop action games. From hidden object games to Doom.

[Proteus_MST]

What?? You don't like endless action where you are like Rambo? I can't fathom a game with even a second of a break. Kidding lol.

I play a mix of casual and nonstop action games. From hidden object games to Doom.

If I play Egoshooters, I usually prefer realism oriented ones ...
like for example Red Orchestra 2, where you can kill (or be killed) with one shot and don't have any "magical" IFF markers above the heads of friends and foes (meaning that you have to actually carefully look for movements to discover any enemies and also have to be careful (by looking at the uniform and knowing friendly positions) that you don't kill your own men instead of the enemy (actually the first thing that every newb in RO2 has to learn ))