So, a funny thing happened in Iowa..

[Bereta_Eder]

And at the middle, lies Kidicious

[Kidlicious]

And at the middle, lies Kidicious

No. I'm not in the middle, as long as the middle is a bunch of idiots. I'm not a racist or misogynist either, but I see that you like to keep saying I am, as though, if I were, that would need to be repeated over and over.

[Bereta_Eder]

You do have an abysmal knack for digging up complete and utter bollocks of videos though and then forming an entire worldview based on them.
Whereas you should avoid the rattlesnakes and just go out dancing

[Kidlicious]

You do have an abysmal knack for digging up complete and utter bollocks of videos though and then forming an entire worldview based on them.
Whereas you should avoid the rattlesnakes and just go out dancing

My worldview is a reaction to the world around me. I watch people, and I see their lies. I react accordingly.

[kentonio]

That's a false conundrum. Working class whites WORK, therefore have not need for welfare.

You just showed you havent actually listened to a word he's said. The entire core pillar of his campaign is about rebalancing the economy so that WORKING Americans are getting a fair wage that allows them to live decent lives, build small businesses and not have to worry about a single emergency flinging them into bankrupcy or lifelong debt. He's repeated constantly that over 50% of black high school graduates are unemployed. That's graduates, not dropouts. His answer to that is jobs not jails. Does that seem extreme or communist to you?

[kentonio]

Well, no Trumpie is going to vote for a man who wants to take his giant Pepsi away, so bad luck for Bernie. Though Bernie would have better luck appealing to them than Hillary, Trumpism being largely an economic phenomenon. But he'd still be an atheist and a socialist, and despite appearances those really are both four-letter words over here.

A large chunk of Republicans will vote for Trump over Hillary but will be holding their noses while they do it (just like many Bernie fans would for Hillary if she gets the nomination). Bloomberg potentially gives them another choice.

The athiest thing has barely even surfaced, because Bernie is also Jewish, and it seems easier for the media to focus on that. The socialist thing meanwhile just isn't proving the issue it was supposed to. Voters have heard the GOP calling Obama a socialist for the last 8 years and its lost its sting. Interestingly (and probably predictably) though Hillary's strongest age demographic is the over 50's who lived through the anti-socialist propaganda days. So it comes down to whether he can get out the youth vote like Obama did. If he can, he can win. If he can't, he won't, it's really that simple.

[Kidlicious]

You just showed you havent actually listened to a word he's said. The entire core pillar of his campaign is about rebalancing the economy so that WORKING Americans are getting a fair wage that allows them to live decent lives, build small businesses and not have to worry about a single emergency flinging them into bankrupcy or lifelong debt. He's repeated constantly that over 50% of black high school graduates are unemployed. That's graduates, not dropouts. His answer to that is jobs not jails. Does that seem extreme or communist to you?

Yes, that is socialist/communist and extreme. He want's people working fast food to get $15/hr. That's too much. Employers can't afford that. They will have to raise prices or shut down. It makes sense for anyone to be against that brand of extremist. The real question is why blacks keep supporting these socialists, not why whites do not.

[kentonio]

Yes, that is socialist/communist and extreme. He want's people working fast food to get $15/hr. That's too much. Employers can't afford that. They will have to raise prices or shut down. It makes sense for anyone to be against that brand of extremist. The real question is why blacks keep supporting these socialists, not why whites do not.

When a lot more working people have more disposible income, they spend that money on things like, yep you guessed it fast food (and clothes, and electronic devices, and cars etc etc etc) and those employers can grow and prosper. Like used to happen before the working class got squeezed into working multiple jobs for poverty pay while still having to claim welfare just to keep their kids fed.

$15 incidentally is not an overnight goal, the initial goal is $9 in 2016 rising to $15 by 2020 in incremental steps. Much of the right wing shrieking about how it'll send small business owners out of business is frankly the same bull**** that they've pulled out ever since minimum wages first began. Their apocalyptic scenarios never actually happen.

[Kidlicious]

When a lot more working people have more disposible income, they spend that money on things like, yep you guessed it fast food (and clothes, and electronic devices, and cars etc etc etc) and those employers can grow and prosper. Like used to happen before the working class got squeezed into working multiple jobs for poverty pay while still having to claim welfare just to keep their kids fed.

$15 incidentally is not an overnight goal, the initial goal is $9 in 2016 rising to $15 by 2020 in incremental steps. Much of the right wing shrieking about how it'll send small business owners out of business is frankly the same bull**** that they've pulled out ever since minimum wages first began. Their apocalyptic scenarios never actually happen.

No it isn't. You have no understanding of economics. They do not have disposable income if they do not have jobs. Furthermore, the general welfare will be decrease because of businesses shutting down that used to serve the public. Communism doesn't work. We are lucky that many understand this. Unfortunately people like you do not. And you wonder why people don't think like you.

[kentonio]

No it isn't. You have no understanding of economics. They do not have disposable income if they do not have jobs. Furthermore, the general welfare will be decrease because of businesses shutting down that used to serve the public. Communism doesn't work. We are lucky that many understand this. Unfortunately people like you do not. And you wonder why people don't think like you.

I'm more confused by how a former communist could see something that is nothing stronger than mild socialism and believe it was communism. It's almost like you spent most of your time as a communist just jerking off to posters of Lenin rather than actually learning what communism actually was.

[Kidlicious]

I'm more confused by how a former communist could see something that is nothing stronger than mild socialism and believe it was communism. It's almost like you spent most of your time as a communist just jerking off to posters of Lenin rather than actually learning what communism actually was.

People like Bernie Sanders will always call for redistribution of income and wealth. It's communism. They get elected by pandering to envious people who don't understand economics. I actually have more respect for people who call themselves communists, because they are more honest.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not a libertarian or strict fiscal conservative. But I believe that people should be able to keep most of what they earn, that you have no right to take that away from them. I didn't always believe that, which is why I was a communist. But gradually I came to understand that people like Bernie Sanders are exploiting people just as much as the rich, if not more. And Bernie Sanders would do a lot for me. I would probably get a lot of benefits from his presidency if he were able to pass any of it through Congress. But he will destroy this country, and after this country is destroyed there will be no where else for us to go.

[Jon Miller]

Not the case in reality. Check out his head to head match ups against the GOP likely nominees. He's actually also picking up excellent numbers amongst Independents and even Republicans when compared to Hillary. Increasing numbers appear ok with ignoring the differences on social issues because they share his platform on income inequality. Which actually does make sense when you think about the longtime conundrum of why working class whites would support a Republican Party that largely acts against their own interests.

People are still getting to know Bernie.

They know Hillary.

JM

[DinoDoc]

He won't run if it's Hillary, he's floating it in case Bernie wins.

You base this on?

[kentonio]

You base this on?

It was what the guy who leaked the story about him maybe running said. He said Bloomberg had no interest in a suicide mission, but if it came down to Sanders vs Trump he could see a path between them.

[kentonio]

People like Bernie Sanders will always call for redistribution of income and wealth. It's communism. They get elected by pandering to envious people who don't understand economics. I actually have more respect for people who call themselves communists, because they are more honest.

So you don't know what either communism or socialism mean or the differences between them. Ok then..

Here's a spoiler for you, actual socialists (not communists) think Bernie is nothing more than a slightly left wing capitalist.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not a libertarian or strict fiscal conservative. But I believe that people should be able to keep most of what they earn, that you have no right to take that away from them. I didn't always believe that, which is why I was a communist. But gradually I came to understand that people like Bernie Sanders are exploiting people just as much as the rich, if not more. And Bernie Sanders would do a lot for me. I would probably get a lot of benefits from his presidency if he were able to pass any of it through Congress. But he will destroy this country, and after this country is destroyed there will be no where else for us to go.

Well it seems you've bounced from one stupid extreme to the other, and missed the huge vibrant bit in the middle. Back in the time that everyone raves about America being great, top rates of tax were high as ****, yet somehow people still had jobs, the economy still grew and America managed to remain the world leader and strangely didn't 'destroy' itself. Over the past 30 years or so the rich have gotten wildly richer, and the working folks have gotten poorer. So please explain to me why a democratic socialist like Sanders calling for a top rate of tax of 52% on people earning over $10 million is suddenly going to destroy America?