Open Borders

[rah]

happy now rah? I entertained your stupid metaphor and pwned the ****ing cream out your balls with it

If you consider that idiotic rant pwning, you need to go back to colorado and find better weed.

And you still haven't answered my question. No surprise.

[giblets]

"Answer my question" is one of Ben Kenobi's favorite argument strategies

[rah]

Yeah, I was thinking that but it's just Sava, so we're really not taking this that seriously.

I'm still looking forward to eventually making it over to his house to see if he really locks his doors.

And to see what he brought back from his last trip.

[Sava]

maybe you missed it

i answered your dumbass question

or rather, corrected the analogy to show how ****ing retarded it was

well, first of all, i wouldn't just move into someone else house, give them diseases, murder them, then force them to live in the crawl space, while I name items in my house using the slurs I would call them (or wouldn't, because I wouldn't call them by those names)

then.... after taking their house

I wouldn't invite everyone over at my old place to come live
I wouldn't shuffle them into ghettos by their ethnicity and force them to work as slaves or as wage-slave (anything less than what it takes to support a family under what we consider "reasonable" conditions)


there's a lot I would do rah



locking the door after I invite everyone over to live is not one of them


if i say, HEY EVERYONE LIVE AT MY PLACE

the responsibility is on me to make sure everyone has a good time


if anything, your thoughts on immigration lead me to believe your parties suck the **** out of a orangutan's ass

(if you are too slow to get it, i'm referring to the history of america as if it were my house)

[rah]

And you thought my analogy was silly/obscure? I think you've topped me.

[Sava]

That is your analogy

You wanted America to be a house

[SlowwHand]

Try thinking of it as just a bigger house.

[giblets]

Once we finish building walls on the border we'd better get started with build a roof.

[regexcellent]

We should give amnesty to all illegal immigrants. This will, of course, encourage more people to come here illegally and probably cause a huge surge in immigration. So then we should give amnesty to them too. In fact we should give them pre-amnesty, if you will, and just give them green cards the moment they cross the border.

The solution to illegal immigration is a very simple one. Once it's not illegal, it's just "immigration."

[Sava]

Try thinking of it as just a bigger house.

Why don't I just think of it as a country?

[notyoueither]

There're at least 19 guys you'd have wanted to keep out of any house, or country, but YMMV.

[SlowwHand]

David Floyd used to say he was against any kind of intervention
unless tanks were rolling down his street; then he grew up.
Ask Tuberski.
People have had to meet criteria and pass through Ellis Island for a long time. This is hardly the time to change.

[Uncle Sparky]

What if the country was an apartment building, where dozens, even hundreds outside of your household, had easy egress?

[Pekka]

Sure. It comes with things that needs to be otherwise handled like how does taxation work if no borders exist, the rule of law etc. if all that works out, then I don't care. The rule of law being important, how does basic security work? Is the idea of dangerous *******s still isolation from others? I DO NOT believe in some sort of "ohh we will fix you with therapy" ****. There are bad people out there who hurt other people. That would be the thing to solve. Depends what is meant by open borders. I mean no borders what so ever. No countries, no flags just people. IF we talk about nations and opening borders, again, sure but don't expect the host country to give money. That would have to be solved. How to avoid the people coming in from being marginalized and driven into porverty by not having job or knowing the language? Leading to crime and other risks. Beyond that, no problemo. All for it.

However, I don't much applause people opening their homes for like refugees except for the fact that they are putting their money where their mouth is. Otherwise? Why did you not have the heart ot open our home to the needy people before? Lots of needy people, homeless and marginalized in everyone's country. Why no open doors? Why do they "get a job" -attitude? So to me that means you want social brownie points, and not REALLY into the let's be humane to everyone. So **** those people. You either help or don't. If you help, thne be honest that you are selective. Because you want inner satisfaction from it. Nothing is free. True altruists were killed by nature a long time ago.

[Bereta_Eder]

I think these people who come here and risk their lives (about 50% chance of dying?) wouldn't do it if there was a higher chance they would be killed where they are now.

It's simple logic.

If you said I'm driving a cinquiecento but now I want to drive a bmw, so I might go somewhere else.
Well ok good sir, but there is a 50% chance you'll die.

**** that I love my cinquicento!!

So msot of them come because they'll die if they stayed where they came from.
Also because this is rashed they don't have time to politely file their papers and take afternoon foreign language courses.
So there acclimatitation must be aided.

I think that's all there is to it really.

Also there needs to be some planning.
For example when thousands of hundrends of muslim people blocked athens cetner and demanded a mosque the church said no
then saudi arabia offered to finance it and the state said no

because if you see belgium the poor ****ers there have nothing to do with what's going on but they are in a blockade for two days now.
and it's all internal.

of course they house nato, EU and virtually all headquarters so maybe this exasberates the problem


in any case, this is intorable and should not be tolerated