War on Women

[loinburger]

or you could interpret it in context with the earlier post that you quoted

The context does not conflict with the interpretation that you believe that morality is arbitrary

[Sava]

The context does not conflict with the interpretation that you believe that morality is arbitrary

well

it does

in the sense that the interpretation has nothing to do with what was actually said

[loinburger]

Okay, let's start over. Please explain, with as little ambiguity as possible, why it is morally permissible to kill a fetus, and why it is not morally permissible to kill a newborn.

[Sava]

Do you mind if the legal system is changed? If yes, why...?

In some ways, yes.

The changes I have in mind will benefit most, I believe. Or at the very least, would be part of an ongoing process. Society should be experimented on and engineered just like you would a bridge or building.

I don't believe in "morality" in the sense it is something that exists outside of the human mind.

WRT the whole "arbitrary" idiocy that Loin brought up... morality is subjective. Everyone has their own morals. Some morals can seem universal because they apply to most of the human experience, aside from deranged individuals.

Some morals are be arbitrary. Some are not. The one's that aren't are usually intertwined with self interest, preservation, or survival... or as part of the fear response.

[Sava]

Okay, let's start over. Please explain, with as little ambiguity as possible, why it is morally permissible to kill a fetus, and why it is not morally permissible to kill a newborn.

Why would I explain that? Who said that? Shouldn't the person who said that explain it?

I said permissible (not that word specifically). You brought morals into this.

I simply said it was permissible because the law says it is.

[Sava]

I think the problem may be that you don't know the difference between morals and laws?

I dunno


it's like... the discussion is here*

and you are...





















































maybe here*

[loinburger]

For ****'s sake, you brought morals into this when you told JM that he was "morally wrong" about an hour ago. How much weed have you smoked today?

[Sava]

only in the same sense if I had said "grass is green" in a discussion about a river being full of water, and then if you would ask, "but aren't rivers green?"

and then I'd say... but nobody is talking about colors


yes

I brought up "morals" but not the "morals" you are referring to

in reference to jon miller's beliefs infringing upon the rights of beings with self-determination to actually... you know... self-determinate

and you or gib asked some irrelevant question about why abortion is or isn't morally wrong

if you can't understand the comments that already exist, how will more help?

[loinburger]

You're a goddamned idiot

[Sava]

abortion is only morally wrong if it is applied to a being with a will

and then, it's called murder

should children aged 0-whenever be subjected to that?

probably not... because abortion exists and we can do that sooner now



I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to limits on abortion if it was done in good faith

but the pro life movement is operated in ANYTHING BUT good faith

you know this

and yeah yeah trolling LO>LOLOLOLOL

i hope feigning illiteracy got you wet

[Sava]

You're a goddamned idiot

No sir. You are.

Learn to read.

Seriously.

You seem to have a grasp of computer, but not human language.

[Sava]

the leaps in logic are just.... i mean, damn

I clearly state that morality doesn't come from god and is the result of human creation

"morality is arbitrary"




WHAT

do you know what that word means?

[Sava]

junior high school level "interpretation" right there

you should put a link to this thread on your resume

[giblets]

In some ways, yes.

The changes I have in mind will benefit most, I believe. Or at the very least, would be part of an ongoing process. Society should be experimented on and engineered just like you would a bridge or building.

I don't believe in "morality" in the sense it is something that exists outside of the human mind.

WRT the whole "arbitrary" idiocy that Loin brought up... morality is subjective. Everyone has their own morals. Some morals can seem universal because they apply to most of the human experience, aside from deranged individuals.

Some morals are be arbitrary. Some are not. The one's that aren't are usually intertwined with self interest, preservation, or survival... or as part of the fear response.

Do you think "X is immoral" basically means "I don't like X"? Meaning that every time you assert that you're morally superior to another poster you're basically saying "I like myself more than I like this other person."?

[Sava]

"I like my beliefs more than yours"

is how i'd phrase it

but that other statement is true also, just isn't as accurate to this context, imo

because... who wouldn't like themselves more than another person?

probably lori's sad ass