Moral outrage and the U.S. Civil War

[Aeson]

A very uncharitable and unfair reading of his position.

Not really. People who try to paint slavery as a better system than it was deserve what they get.

[giblets]

Conservative: Stalin killed over 100 million people!
Liberal: Actually I think it was more like 20 million.
Conservative: Why are you defending Communism?

[Sava]

Not really. People who try to paint slavery as a better system than it was deserve what they get.

I'm high and don't read posts but I don't think he said that.

[Aeson]

Conservative: Stalin killed over 100 million people!
Liberal: Actually I think it was more like 20 million.
Conservative: Why are you defending Communism?

Again you try to jump ship to an inapplicable analogy ... rather than address the topic at hand. At least this time you didn't paint yourself as a racist with your choice of inapplicable analogs though, so props for that.

[Aeson]

I'm high and don't read posts but I don't think he said that.

Well, let me know when you read the posts.

[Sava]

Why do you hate literacy?

[Aeson]

That's giblets area of expertise actually ... he thinks an admittedly inefficient system keeping 40% of the population poor and illiterate won't lead to the place being backwards.

[Sava]

does he though?

[Imran Siddiqui]

This is one of the most interesting cases of deliberate incorrect-reading I've seen here. And this is a place that has seen Ben post, so that's kind of incredible.

[Aeson]

does he though?

Aeson: And why the South would have quickly become a very backwards place if they had successfully seceded and maintained a slave economy. They would have become (part of) the wage slaves for the North eventually.

giblets: Keeping ~40% of your population in poverty might be bad for national GDP but I'd say you're overstating the impact reducing the size of the local consumer base.

[Aeson]

This is one of the most interesting cases of deliberate incorrect-reading I've seen here. And this is a place that has seen Ben post, so that's kind of incredible.

You're free to take me up on whatever specific point you'd like. My points in response to you are still waiting.

[Sava]

I see the problem. You created a standard of "backwards" with regards to conditions in the south.

This term is effectively meaningless.

Without knowing what the overly ambiguous "backwards" means, I don't see how when grib says "you are overstating the impact" that he necessarily means what you think he does.

Conditions in the south would have deteriorated massively, but maybe because they had a superior neighbor who would've made their lives hell...

[Sava]

and plus, the south IS backwards

always was, always will be

it just isn't a place that spawns civilized people

anyone worth a damn gets the fuck out

[Imran Siddiqui]

Aeson: And why the South would have quickly become a very backwards place if they had successfully seceded and maintained a slave economy. They would have become (part of) the wage slaves for the North eventually.

giblets: Keeping ~40% of your population in poverty might be bad for national GDP but I'd say you're overstating the impact reducing the size of the local consumer base.

I don't see exactly what's so pro-slavery about this. Are you doing the whole GOP talking point of if you state a falsehood enough times people may believe it?

[giblets]

Aeson: And why the South would have quickly become a very backwards place if they had successfully seceded and maintained a slave economy. They would have become (part of) the wage slaves for the North eventually.

giblets: Keeping ~40% of your population in poverty might be bad for national GDP but I'd say you're overstating the impact reducing the size of the local consumer base.

IIRC you implied the South would be on par with Central America. And claimed that having a larger consumer base massively increases productivity through economies of scale (which is probably true to some extent but it's not like doubling the scale of production is going to increase productivity tenfold or anything of that magnitude).