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  • It's amazing how pleased I am with his election considering how bat**** insane I find half his (non-economic) policies.

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    • You are a socialist, you're just in denial about it

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      • in a country full of shy tories ken is a shy socialist
        "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

        "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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        • onefoot, yes it's quite amusing. the hysterical reactions of the tories and their press allies have shown more than anything that someone like corbyn has them worried, as well he might. i expect their plan is try to frame him before he can define himself. it will be very interesting to see what happens if he can resist the temptation to play their game.

          george monbiot has written a good article on how popular movements - and i'm not suggesting that the labour party is a popular movement, but that's certainly the direction that corbyn wants to take it in - can take inspiration from latin america, even from the most unlikely quarters.

          Hostile colleagues, a furious press, an elite determined to destroy him and everything he stands for: Jeremy Corbyn cannot hope to survive by following the traditional path to power. Labour can no longer operate only – or even mostly - from the centre. Its electoral hopes now grow from the grassroots movements that raised him to his improbable position. It is not up to “them” any more. Now it’s up to us.

          This is a new politics, of the kind that has proved effective in Scotland, but is so far untested in elections south of the border. Success now relies not on the clapped-out institutions of a post-democratic state, or on the bloodless calculations of machine-made strategists, but on volatile, uncontainable mass movements. The new politics are thrilling, inspiring and brimming with hope, but not without their problems.

          The trajectory of leftwing mobilisations in Britain has in recent years followed a consistent pattern: they go up like fireworks and come down the same way. People gather in a fiery rush of creativity and hope, then implode and fall to earth. The tumult of ideas, so inspiring in the early days, leads to confusion and dissipation. A thousand voices clamour to be heard, and competition and atomisation sometimes seem to dominate movements that claim to stand against such forces. Wars of attrition fought by the police grind hope into dust. People become burnt out and disillusioned. A few months later a new enthusiasm takes hold, and we repeat the pattern, apparently gaining little from experience.

          While the mobilisations of our grandparents’ generation lasted for decades, ours struggle to survive for months. We create spectacles and debates; we raise interest and awareness. But we seldom generate lasting change.

          There’s a second problem: an inability to reach most of those whose struggles should make them natural allies. Just after the results of the Labour leadership election were announced, the Observer quizzed people in Nuneaton. These are among the most privileged voters on earth. Under our first-past-the-post system, swing voters in such marginal constituencies more or less own general elections. So how did they react to this political earthquake? “Near universal apathy. ‘Not interested, mate,’ ‘They’re all the same,’ ‘Who’s he?’ and ‘I don’t vote’ were the most common responses.”

          Battered into passivity by the media’s misinformation machine, distracted by consumer culture and the celebrity circus, we live in a permanent fug of confusion about the sources of oppression, and of alienation from the means by which they might be addressed.It is tempting to assert that civic life in this country is dead – but it’s not true. Millions of people belong to NGOs, or volunteer for charities. Eerily, however, there seems to be no connection between this mass participation and political change. Something is missing – something, I believe, that other people have found, people from whom many of us might instinctively recoil: evangelical Christians.

          I share none of the core beliefs of the evangelicals but I recognise in their work a series of brilliant organisational models. Here we find movements that are highly diverse in terms of both ethnicity and class. Many of their members are prepared to devote, with apparent joy and limitless persistence, all their free hours to the cause. They persist, year after year. They will weather almost any humiliation and rebuff in their attempts to reach apathetic, hostile people, and they sometimes succeed. In some places – Brazil in particular – they have transformed the life of the nation, often in ways I find disconcerting.

          Over the past two years, with help from others, I’ve been trying to determine what we might learn from these movements. The project is still only half cooked (some might say half-baked). But a few rough shapes appear to be swimming into view. Here are some of the features we might be able to adopt.

          Evangelical groups unite around a set of core convictions, overt, codified and non-negotiable. It would surely not be difficult to create a similar set, common to all progressive movements, built around empathy, kindness, forgiveness and self-worth. A set of immutable convictions might make our movements less capricious while reinforcing the commonality between the left’s many causes.

          Evangelism is positive and propositional (to evangelise is to bring good news). You cannot achieve lasting change unless you set the agenda, rather than responding to that of your opponents.

          They welcome everyone – but in particular the unconverted. Instead of anathematising difference, doubt and hesitation, they explain and normalise these responses as steps within a journey to belief. They are self-funding (often through a tithing system), and sometimes create a parallel welfare state, helping people to overcome financial hardship. To sustain ourselves, we need to be more than just political: we should offer those who join us emotional support, moral comfort and, sometimes, material help.

          Successful evangelical churches have charismatic leaders who use ritual and ceremony, narrative and theatre, to reinforce convictions, project a shared identity and bind people together. The churches create their own media channels and publishing houses, even their own record labels. All this is built on deeper Christian strategies of disruption and self-sacrifice: essential means of attracting attention and public sympathy that are already widely deployed by secular activists.

          There is, of course, plenty to draw upon in nonreligious movements as well, such as Common Weal in Scotland, the astonishing political theatre of the Catalan independence movement and the research and thinking of the Common Cause group. But it is a mistake to learn only from groups with which we may feel comfortable. Our first duty is to be effective, and we should learn from whoever might help us to become so. This is not a game. We can no longer afford to flit to the next enthusiasm, next month, next year or even – if Corbyn lasts that long – next decade. For if he is wiped out, another such chance might never re-emerge. The movement that lifted him on to its shoulders must keep supporting him, seeking between now and 2020 to pull off another improbable feat. This means abandoning old habits and reaching new constituencies, using every democratic means we can muster of returning this country to its people.
          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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          • Where's Velocicry? Where's Flubber? This is the worst Com/Cap debate ever.
            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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            • well if this were a cap/com debate, then at least the com side wouldn't have the kidicious handicap.
              "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

              "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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              • Nice that about the evangelical approach but IMHO unessacairy.
                The cluster****s of the ruling parties in most countries guarantee the cloudless ascent of people like corbyn.
                It's fatalistic.
                Socialism is coming back to slapp asses and collect name tags

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                • Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                  well if this were a cap/com debate, then at least the com side wouldn't have the kidicious handicap.
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                  “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                  ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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                    • Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                      well if this were a cap/com debate, then at least the com side wouldn't have the kidicious handicap.
                      I won all those debates, almost single-handed, and I was mostly wrong. That's how good I am.
                      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                      • Spoken like a true Republican.

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                        • I'm not a Republican.
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                          • Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                            I won all those debates, almost single-handed, and I was mostly wrong. That's how good I am.


                            i'm sure that's what you actually believe as well.
                            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                            "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                            • Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                              I'm not a Republican.
                              What ?
                              You failed the stupidity entry exam ?
                              "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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