GOP "debate"

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW donald trump is hilarious. a plastic mysogynist misanthrope. the stuff false hair and porcelaine teeth nightmares are made off.
I don't know if he's more hilarious than disgusting.

[rah]

Find me one example where he campaigned that he would eradicate that many million Jews.

He was highly nationalistic, but the west was considerably to blame for the restrictions that we saddled them with after WW1.
The people were desperate, the middle class was being impoverished so they were willing to vote for someone they perceived would fight back.

So you really think they were all PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE?
That's absurd.



But I guess it's easier for you to discuss Hitler than Hillary's vote to support the war.

[Bereta_Eder]

Ze germans voted for hitler because their romantic (german romanticism is the basis of nazism) view of their country didn't fit reality.
the final solution was hushed hushed but the nazi idea that jews were not really human wasn't conceiled in any way (and that they were commies too and lazy and thieves)

[Imran Siddiqui]

Have you read Mein Kampf? Have you heard some of the rhetoric about subhuman Jews? Are you familiar with Europe's history of Jewish pogroms? It doesn't necessarily take much of a mind to surmise that the Nazis wanted to screw Jews really hard - you may not have anticipated ovens, but c'mon its not an unreasonable jump. You know, kind of like voting for George W. Bush (note, I'm not equating them) and him using neocon language for foreign policy and then being surprised that he wanted to enter into more warfare.

FWIW, you brought up Hitler - it's your fault, your misogynistic hatred of Clinton aside. She voted for the war based on the information she had at the time. She probably wouldn't have been for it if she knew what she knew now. She is, indeed, more of a foreign policy neo-conservative than anyone else in the race aside from Sanders or Paul. However, she also appears to back diplomacy, a la Iran. If she engages in any foreign wars, my vote and support for her will be on my head as well. Yeah, I'll actually take responsibility for who I vote for - imagine that, you coward.

[kentonio]

Find me one example where he campaigned that he would eradicate that many million Jews.

To be fair he talked about crushing and annihilating the Jews many, many times during his political speeches. Then again much of the western world was quite virulently anti-Semitic at the time anyway, so its not like he was waving a banner those people didn't want to follow.

[Alexander's Horse]

I'm getting this generational crap now from my sons.

My answer to them? GET A JOB, PAY YOUR OWN WAY

[rah]

it's your fault, your misogynistic hatred of Clinton aside.

You assumption that I don't like her because she's a woman is hilarious. Almost 50% of the country doesn't trust her, but no "it's because she's a woman".
I have voted for many women in the past. I even married a woman.
But you are entitled to your delusions.

She's a proven liar, and it will come back to haunt her. (but in all fairness most politicians are, she just sucks at it worst than most)

[rah]

To be fair he talked about crushing and annihilating the Jews many, many times during his political speeches. Then again much of the western world was quite virulently anti-Semitic at the time anyway, so its not like he was waving a banner those people didn't want to follow.

Yes he scapegoated them continually. Them and others. But he wasn't promising genocide at the time.
I will concede that anyone that deeply read his works wouldn't have been too surprised that it would get ugly but that's a far cry from saying anyone that voted for him is personally responsible.
That's extreme.

I'm sure a majority of those that voted for him had never read Mein Kampf

[Imran Siddiqui]

Mitt Romney flipped flopped just as much, if not more than Hillary Clinton, but the vitriol you spew for her is far more than you ever did for Mitt. Res ipsa loquitur.

[rah]

Mitt has not been exposed as a liar like Hillary has. We're not discussing flip flopping.
And for the Record, I hated Mitt and would never vote for him either.

[kentonio]

Yes he scapegoated them continually. Them and others. But he wasn't promising genocide at the time.

This language was extremely violent and completely consistent with genocidal behaviour. The only possible defense could be if people assumed he was being completely hyperbolic, but given the anti-semitic violence that was growing in Germany at the time, that would be a pretty week defense.

I will concede that anyone that deeply read his works wouldn't have been too surprised that it would get ugly but that's a far cry from saying anyone that voted for him is personally responsible.
That's extreme.

I'm sure a majority of those that voted for him had never read Mein Kampf

I don't hold every voter responsible for the holocaust, for much the same reasons as I've never understood charging people with murder because someone they were with pulled a gun and shot someone. It implies they should have known more than they could know with hindsight.

If Germany teaches us any lesson though, its that when it comes to electing leaders, you have to take responsibility for listening to what they're actually saying. Hitler was openly and (very) loudly anti-semitic, violent and honest about his desires for subjugating people he considered lesser. Germanys didn't vote in a vacuum, he'd sold 240,000 copies of that book before he got into office, and branches of the Nazi party were active all over Germany. He was also travelling between cities giving huge rallies, and his words were printed constantly in newspapers.

[kentonio]

Mitt has not been exposed as a liar like Hillary has.

He was exposed as a liar frequently.

http://www.politifact.com/personalit...yruling/false/

[rah]

I don't hold every voter responsible for the holocaust,

Thanks, that the point I was tying to make.

And I agree with you that they are not totally blameless.

The west shared a lot of that blame, and fortunately we learned from it and did it differently after WWII. History tells us that nation rebuilding was the better option.

[Bereta_Eder]

No it doesn't.

[rah]

He was exposed as a liar frequently.

http://www.politifact.com/personalit...yruling/false/

Yes, a fine line. Misrepresentation of the facts and lying. I'll concede that one.

I guess I have to fall back on personal integrity. (waiting for a post to prove me wrong there too) but it's not the point, I have no interest in defending someone I don't even like.

My problem is that Imran is resorting to BK tactics by assuming others' motivations.
He does not know me. He also doesn't know my complete voting record. I voted for a Clinton before. He should keep his mouth shut about things he doesn't know.

It would be like saying that I think he's supporting Hillary because he had mommy issues and hoped this would help resolve them. I wouldn't insult him that way.