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  • Ok, champ.
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    • Greece submits plans for economic reforms to eurozone officials, in a last-ditch bid to secure a new bailout from international creditors.


      Anyway, Greece finally submitted an offer and it even avoids the poison pill demand for debt forgiveness which the Germans had said was not on offer. The Greeks do want their debt stretched out effectively forever and made interest free though and that would be a huge concession. The Greeks also want far more than they have ever asked for before, almost $54 billion as a loan plus $35 billion in EU construction stimulus, so it is unclear how realistic this offer really is. Or even if the Greeks will follow through with the promised reforms and privitizations. For five years and two bailouts they have been promising but have yet to deliver.
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      • anything but the poison bill!
        "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

        "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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        • The Samsung touch keyboard and autocorrect sucks. I need to download a different keyboard app.
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          • yeah, yeah. we've heard it all before.
            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

            "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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            • Doesn't change that it is the truth.
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              • Have they kicked the leeches out of the Eurozone yet?
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • Originally posted by dannubis View Post
                  Yes, the rest of Europe should also organize referenda where they put the following question to their population: "Do you agree that large sums of your tax money are used to help the greek people while it could be used to alliveate austerity measures at home ?"

                  That would have been wonderful!

                  Greece would have defaulted to private creditors instead and the people of Europe wouldn't be paying for the banksters' reckless behavior.
                  In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                  • Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                    Have they kicked the leeches out of the Eurozone yet?
                    Spoken with your usual ignorance

                    The goal is to keep them in the eurozone at all costs
                    In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                    • Originally posted by Fake Boris View Post
                      The goal is to keep them in the eurozone at all costs
                      They'd have already given into the demands of Greece by now if that were true.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • Greece is still in the Eurozone.
                        In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                        • Originally posted by Fake Boris View Post
                          Greece is still in the Eurozone.
                          At least until July 20.
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                          • Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                            In terms of economic theory Marx was completely wrong about everything, and everyone knew it at the time. He appears to have either been unfamiliar with the marginal revolution, or otherwise unable to comprehend it. Marx's theories are unable to explain why it is that when you stick things on a train, and then drive that train in circles, they don't get more valuable.

                            Everything Marx ever wrote is totally worthless and should be ignored.

                            edit: in particular, believing in the labor theory of value is equivalent to believing in creationism in terms of scientific ignorance.
                            Here is what something made by a guy who believes in labour theory of value looks like.


                            $100,000.00 + $54.30 shipping for a Go board that took 20 years to make.
                            Quendelie axan!

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                            • Regina is completely wrong as usual.

                              He also completely missed Gribby's point that the labor theory of value comes from Adam Smith.
                              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                              • Originally posted by Sir Og View Post
                                Here is what something made by a guy who believes in labour theory of value looks like.


                                $100,000.00 + $54.30 shipping for a Go board that took 20 years to make.
                                Shipping is overpriced if you ask me.
                                One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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