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  • #61
    Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
    Well, just look at the track listing for Elok's apparently execrable Nevermind, for example. You've never heard "Smells Like Teen Spirit"?
    I've heard of it but I don't think I've ever heard the song itself.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
      Gun companies are not a particularly powerful lobby. Money-wise, the NRA isn't either; the reason people give a **** about the NRA is that it has 4 million members.
      4 million members but is controlled by the gun companies.

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      • #63
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        No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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        • #64
          No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
            Baltimore PD is over 50% black. Baltimore itself is 60% black. The mayor is black, the city council is black, and the police commissioner is black.

            Where exactly do "crackers" come into this picture?
            I'm not really across this story, but I think it was the bit where white cops broke a black man's back resulting in his death.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by kentonio View Post
              4 million members but is controlled by the gun companies.
              No, it really isn't. Ruger for instance famously supported a magazine capacity limit in the early '90s and the NRA eviscerated it for that.

              The NRA's budget is funded by membership dues. It has no reason to be loyal to the gun companies. Besides which there are a huge number of gun companies, most of them pretty small.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                No, it really isn't. Ruger for instance famously supported a magazine capacity limit in the early '90s and the NRA eviscerated it for that.

                The NRA's budget is funded by membership dues. It has no reason to be loyal to the gun companies. Besides which there are a huge number of gun companies, most of them pretty small.
                If you actually believe that then you're either an idiot or delusional.

                Originally posted by Business Insider
                In its early days, the National Rifle Association was a grassroots social club that prided itself on independence from corporate influence.

                While that is still part of the organization's core function, today less than half of the NRA's revenues come from program fees and membership dues.

                The bulk of the group's money now comes in the form of contributions, grants, royalty income, and advertising, much of it originating from gun industry sources.

                Since 2005, the gun industry and its corporate allies have given between $20 million and $52.6 million to it through the NRA Ring of Freedom sponsor program. Donors include firearm companies like Midway USA, Springfield Armory Inc, Pierce Bullet Seal Target Systems, and Beretta USA Corporation. Other supporters from the gun industry include Cabala's, Sturm Rugar & Co, and Smith & Wesson.

                The NRA also made $20.9 million — about 10 percent of its revenue — from selling advertising to industry companies marketing products in its many publications in 2010, according to the IRS Form 990.

                Additionally, some companies donate portions of sales directly to the NRA. Crimson Trace, which makes laser sights, donates 10 percent of each sale to the NRA. Taurus buys an NRA membership for everyone who buys one of their guns. Sturm Rugar gives $1 to the NRA for each gun sold, which amounts to millions. The NRA's revenues are intrinsically linked to the success of the gun business.
                http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-i...ra-2013-1?IR=T

                The clue is that the NRA keeps opposing policies that a majority of its membership support. Who benefits? Oh yeah, the gun companies. Follow the money, it rarely lies.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                  The clue is that the NRA keeps opposing policies that a majority of its membership support. Who benefits? Oh yeah, the gun companies. Follow the money, it rarely lies.
                  And what would that be? More gun control? Kentonio, stop pretending you understand American politics. Here's a concrete example: Gun companies are in favor of 922(r) for example (law against importation of "non-sporting" long arms) and the NRA is against it.

                  The money leads you to lifetime members and large private donors, not gun companies. In any case, we already established that the NRA's power is from its members who go to the polls and vote, not the money, which means that it wouldn't be reasonably possible for the NRA to support something its members don't.

                  I'm telling you this as an NRA member.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                    And what would that be? More gun control? Kentonio, stop pretending you understand American politics. Here's a concrete example: Gun companies are in favor of 922(r) for example (law against importation of "non-sporting" long arms) and the NRA is against it.

                    The money leads you to lifetime members and large private donors, not gun companies. In any case, we already established that the NRA's power is from its members who go to the polls and vote, not the money, which means that it wouldn't be reasonably possible for the NRA to support something its members don't.

                    I'm telling you this as an NRA member.
                    I've just shown you that only a minority of their funding comes from membership dues, yet your reply is that the money leads to the membership. Are you actually incapable of processing things like simple facts?

                    You do also know that their are a number of prominent gun company figures sitting on the NRA board right, despite their claim that they are "not affiliated with any firearm or ammunition manufacturers or with any businesses that deal in guns and ammunition."? You also realize that the NRA has been lobbying hard for things that benefit the gun manufacturers while doing nothing for the normal gun owner?

                    But hey, don't take my word for it, why not just listen to Wayne LaPierre himself..

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                    The NRA started out as a member driven organization, but has come under the influence of the gun industry. They use people like you as a threat they can wave to get politicians to bow to their influence, but it's been a decade at least since the members were their priority. I'd be pretty pissed off about that if I were you, but hey if you're happy with being a corporate puppet then fair play to you.

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                    • #70
                      In addition to your tendency to be pretty much wrong about everything, I think not hearing of Nirvana (allegedly) is probably the biggest blow to what little credibility you have, reg.
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Elok View Post
                        I think an actual literal spambot says less stupid crap than you do.
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                        • #72
                          Foreign Lives Matter
                          American racism at home and abroad only highlights the hypocrisy of U.S. foreign policy. And the rest of the world isn't buying America's message anymore.


                          Race is back in the news in the United States, and sadly not just for commemorative events, such as the 50th anniversary of the Selma March. If people thought they had seen the worst after the incidents in Ferguson and New York City, April brought more horrifying examples of the institutionalized racism and violence that permeates the United States. The shooting of yet another unarmed black man in South Carolina beggars belief, and is a stark reminder of just how entrenched racism is in U.S. society and its institutions. And in late April, racism fueled the burning of the city of Baltimore, compelling U.S. President Barack Obama to call it a “slow-rolling crisis.”

                          But many around the world understand it to be more than that. Why? A recent report states that in March 2014 alone, police encounters in the United States resulted in 111 killings, twice as many as were killed by British police in the entire 20th century. U.S. police disproportionately and excessively target minorities at traffic stops, and U.S. courts disproportionately and excessively convict minorities of crimes. “African American and Hispanics comprised 58 percent of all prisoners in 2008, even though African Americans and Hispanics make up approximately one quarter of the US population,” according to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) — and the percentages of minorities in American prisons appear to be growing.

                          Until recently, many people around the world had believed that the United States had put its troubled history with race behind it. But how thin that veneer is became evident in August 2014, after the police shooting of a black teenager in the city of Ferguson, Missouri. The city’s chief of police resigned following a string of outrages, including the discovery of racist emails circulated within his police department that suggested Barack Obama “would not be president for very long because what black man holds a steady job for four years.”

                          This concerns more than just Americans. After all, what does it mean for the rest of the world when its most powerful nation struggles mightily with racism in its midst? For one, it contextualizes the often-heralded notion of American “exceptionalism.” At its core, that idea is an incredibly arrogant notion. It hints of racism and a barely concealed contempt of others, especially the non-Western world. But it is a doctrine that is still ruthlessly enforced in the carnival that is American politics. When Obama tried for a dose of realism on this subject in 2009 — saying “I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism”– heavy criticism eventually compelled him to backtrack. The consensus enforcers later got him to say “I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being.”

                          At a time when the United States has become the de-facto policeman of the world and a self-appointed arbitrator of peace, Asians have watched with concern — especially with elections looming in 2016 — at how the Republican Party has even swung further to the right. The GOP has stopped even pretending to concern itself with the welfare of non-white Americans. Many of its most prominent members display a very shallow understanding of the world and thus a lack of appreciation of the complex histories of other nations, yet seem itching to intervene on the slightest pretext. Worse, they would have the United States do so based on their prejudices and ideological fixations — some of which are likely framed by their fear of those unlike themselves.

                          It has not gone unnoticed in Asia (or for that matter among black, Hispanic, or Asian Americans) that the current Republican Party has earned itself the moniker “White Man’s Party.” Not that Democrats are all that much better. Those on the left may be willing to pay lip service to minority rights, but many in the Democratic leadership are just as much a part of the ruling white establishment. For them, race serves as a convenient political whip to flog the Republicans with but little else. “I mean you’ve got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and nice-looking guy,” are the words Vice President Joe Biden reportedly used in 2007 to describe the man who would later carry him to the White House. Former President Bill Clinton, is also reported to have dismissed Obama by saying, “A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee” (or “carrying our bags,” depending on the source) while speaking to the late Democratic powerhouse Ted Kennedy.

                          This has Asians, Arabs, South Americans, and Africans around the world concerned, though sadly few are willing to say so publicly — or given the global platform to do so. Those few who do speak out, like former Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, who spoke of the “racism [that] is very characteristic of imperialism and capitalism,” are quickly maligned. They see the connective tissue to the World War I-era U.S. President Woodrow Wilson, who spoke about protecting “white civilization and its domination of the planet.” This may seem like ancient history to Americans, but what followed was a long tradition of foreign misadventures and reprehensible ethics that still resonate with critics of the United States.

                          Take, for instance, the role that racist — or at least supremacist — attitudes played in decisions such as the U.S. military intervention in Vietnam. While the United States has often called for other nations to either acknowledge or apologize for their crimes in previous wars, it has never apologized to the Vietnamese for its indiscriminate use of napalm.

                          The same can be said about Washington’s unabashed business relations with the white apartheid regime in South Africa — something that many in that region still remember. And the long and shameful U.S. history of support for military elites of European descent in Latin America against indigenous populations is something that explains the lingering suspicion of many in the region toward the White House — and why people like Fidel Castro and Che Guevara are still viewed as heroes.

                          In Asia, many have not forgotten that the United States remains the only nation to ever deploy a nuclear weapon (twice), and did so on an Asian nation towards which many in the American leadership had deeply racist attitudes.In Asia, many have not forgotten that the United States remains the only nation to ever deploy a nuclear weapon (twice), and did so on an Asian nation towards which many in the American leadership had deeply racist attitudes. They recall that Franklin D. Roosevelt interned roughly 90 percent of the continental Japanese-American population in prison camps during the war. His successor, Harry Truman, the man who ultimately pushed the nuclear button that brought World War II to an end, wrote to his wife: “I think one man is as good as another so long as he’s honest and decent and not a ****** or a Chinaman.”

                          All of which makes it not unbelievable to think that an irrational fear of Islam — and denigration of Muslims — may also be the primary factor behind the fanatical determination of many in Washington to keep Iran from crossing the nuclear threshold. Fear and distrust of others can be found lurking in almost every corridor of power that influences U.S. foreign policy.

                          The rest of the world sees this. It smells the hypocrisy in Washington when leaders resort to the old saw that America “is a nation of immigrants” while kicking unaccompanied children out of the country en masse.

                          While Wall Street stocks won’t take a hit from the riots in Baltimore, the image of the United States as a free, fair, and prosperous land for all certainly does. Some 150 years after the end of the U.S. Civil War, the United States has not overcome its reprehensible domestic legacy of racism. And it is time that politicians, academics, and business leaders across the world pause before they readily embrace American ideals and interests.

                          To be sure, America is not the only country where racist attitudes influence politics. There are many Asian, African, and European leaders who have equally despicable views about race. Thankfully, they have no power to turn these views into actions on the international stage. They cannot utter statements such as “all options are on the table” or consider bombing innocents in Iran. When it comes to racism in geopolitics, America stands alone for two reasons: First, its own relentlessly advertised promise and potential. Second, the sheer scale of its economic and military muscle.

                          So what are the implications for U.S. influence in Asia? The United States is currently in the middle of its “pivot” to Asia — militarily, with as much as 60 percent of U.S. naval assets to be deployed to the Pacific; and economically, with far-reaching trade agreements such as the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), whose proposed members make up roughly 40 percent of world GDP. Yet these overtures are unlikely to win the hearts and minds of the world’s largest continent if Asian political leaders and their increasingly informed electorates wake-up to America’s race-based biases.

                          In Asia, political leaders should remain wary of allowing their own race-based or historical grievances to become the basis for their foreign policy. The unresolved tensions between China and Japan are a case in point. Given China’s growing influence in the region it must resist the temptation of fueling racist attitudes towards Japan that might later come to dictate its actions. Instead it should stick to its admirable commitment to rejecting the race-based oppression that drove much of European colonization of the world, especially Africa and Asia.

                          American political leaders should not assume that the silence of their Asian counterparts means that they do not recognize this tendency, have no fear of this threat, or that they do not hold deeply felt resentment about the underlying racism that appears to frame U.S. attitudes towards Asia and other developing regions. For their part, Asian leaders need to speak out and stop being silent on the issue. They will earn the right to be true allies of the United States by being honest on this sensitive topic and making clear to Americans that latent racism cannot be allowed to influence Washington’s foreign policy. And the average American should know, too, that what’s happening in Baltimore or Ferguson reverberates thousands of miles away.

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                          • #73
                            What the baltimore police did almost certainly was not about race, for christ's sake. As has been pointed out repeatedly, the entire city's leadership is dominated by blacks.
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by MrFun View Post
                              What was the race of the police officers who snapped that poor guy's spinal cord?
                              Well, the only one charged with murder was black.

                              Originally posted by ricketyclik View Post
                              I'm not really across this story, but I think it was the bit where white cops broke a black man's back resulting in his death.
                              See above.
                              Last edited by The Mad Monk; May 1, 2015, 22:32.
                              No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                                What the baltimore police did almost certainly was not about race, for christ's sake. As has been pointed out repeatedly, the entire city's leadership is dominated by blacks.
                                On the other hand, the life of African Americans in Baltimore is most definitely heavily about race.

                                Baltimore (and Chicago) are diverse, not integrated cities. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...st-segregated/

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