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[kentonio]

Kentonio is ruining this thread. Why do conservatives have to ruin everything?

What I create, I can also destroy.

[self biased]

Kentonio is ruining this thread. Why do conservatives have to ruin everything?

to be fair, it is better than Ben ruining the thread.

[Jon Miller]

I don't think either I or HC are saying that there will never be a real computer intelligence. In fact, I would bet that HC beleives there will be. I would say that a large portion of the relevant (Computer science) scientific community agrees that there will be.

The question is "is it in any way close or possible in the near future" and the answer is no. Not even by accident.

JM
(near future is -20 years)

[I AM MOBIUS]

That's like a red rag to a bull for him

[kentonio]

I don't think either I or HC are saying that there will never be a real computer intelligence. In fact, I would bet that HC beleives there will be. I would say that a large portion of the relevant (Computer science) scientific community agrees that there will be.

The question is "is it in any way close or possible in the near future" and the answer is no. Not even by accident.

JM
(near future is -20 years)

I wouldn't disagree with that, although I'd naturally shy away from trying to predict anything in the technological field beyond 10 years. Hell, even 5 years is a stretch these days.

[Jon Miller]

I wouldn't disagree with that, although I'd naturally shy away from trying to predict anything in the technological field beyond 10 years. Hell, even 5 years is a stretch these days.

I very much disagree. There has been no unexpected advances in CS.

JM

[kentonio]

I very much disagree. There has been no unexpected advances in CS.

JM

Within which timeframe? You probably also want to provide a precise definition of CS there, as its often used in a much broader context which would make your statement look utterly ridiculous.

[onodera]

Kentonio, I think you may just lack the background to understand what I am saying. Particularly the distinction I drew between ordinary provable algorithms and ML/AI techniques. Yes I know your phone can recognize handwriting. Usually. It's a probabilistic system. Christ, dude, I write these things. I know how they work.

You're a probabilistic algorithm yourself, HC.

[Hauldren Collider]

Within which timeframe? You probably also want to provide a precise definition of CS there, as its often used in a much broader context which would make your statement look utterly ridiculous.

Almost every advance in applied computer science I can think of has been anticipated by computer science theory, often decades beforehand.

[self biased]

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best post in this thread.

[Aeson]

Almost every advance in applied computer science I can think of has been anticipated by computer science theory, often decades beforehand.

Most (maybe all) of which aren't comparable advances.

[Jon Miller]

You can have an evidence based prediction of the next 20ish years (I and HC's position) or a faith based prediction.

Something shockingly new is much more likely to come out of genetics/biology/etc than artificial intelligence/computation/etc in the next 20ish years. This is because we can look at the history of the two fields and look at what has come out and what hasn't.

And I think Ken* has fundamentally misunderstood the 'emergent' phenomena coming out of CS.

JM
(I don't expect anything shocking, from a lay perspective, to come out of physics for the next 100ish years)

[Hauldren Collider]

What about astrophysics, JM? I ask because I've been taking an astrostatistics seminar and it seems like there is a lot of opportunity for interesting discoveries to be made--the impression I am getting is that astronomers have been slow to embrace statistics and machine learning and now that they are doing so and many new sensors and telescopes are being built there is a lot of opportunity for discovery. Though I am not sure a lay person would be interested in much of it.

[Jon Miller]

I don't expect it to impact the layperson, unless we find extraterrestrial life.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Fusion and nano-materials are advancing, but it will be a slow and steady advance (like it has been), there won't be some unexpected revolution.

JM
(Just to be clear that I don't think that physics will have no impactful (to laypersons) advances in the next 100 years, just nothing shocking)