He is risen!

[Kidlicious]

What people do for a living is not a good indication of them being good or bad. There is a whole bunch of things that are immoral that have nothing to do with making money.

[Kidlicious]

I don't think people do unto others as they would have done unto them. And the fact that they act like they do just compounds the sin. Doing unto others as you would have done unto you isn't just a matter of not harming others with violence etc.. It means actually caring about other people regardless of who they choose to believe, whether they are homeless etc. It's like if you were a serial killer how would you like to be treated. Pretty good I suppose. And Jesus treats the serial killers just like everyone else, really good. People don't actually do that, and the fact that they pretend that they do really goes to show how immoral they really are.

[Sava]

The bulk of humanity make a living

Wrong

[ricketyclik]

How so?

[Sava]

How so?

For starters, the "bulk of humanity" lives without running water. I don't know what your definition of "making a living" is. Mine includes indoor plumbing.

[ricketyclik]

My definition is "doing what is required to keep life and limb together".

[Sava]

In that case, yes. Humans often cooperate. Water is also wet and the sky is blue.

[ricketyclik]

Lori and Elok seem to think otherwise.

[Sava]

And?

[Lorizael]

I suspect you're grossly misinterpreting my views, so I'll just say this: human conduct (toward some goal like being a good person or living in a good civilization) and morality are completely separate issues for me. When I talk about morality, I am not in any way making claims about how people in the world do act.

[ricketyclik]

And?

I felt the need to point out that the sky is blue.

[ricketyclik]

I suspect you're grossly misinterpreting my views, so I'll just say this: human conduct (toward some goal like being a good person or living in a good civilization) and morality are completely separate issues for me. When I talk about morality, I am not in any way making claims about how people in the world do act.

Probably so, since to me they're very much akin.

[Sava]

I just gleeked on my phone

[ricketyclik]

Oh, hang on, you (Lori) mean stated morality not actual morality? That makes sense. Mind you, I know my morals/actions slip when I'm tired and grumpy, or hungry or thirsty. I can only imagine what they might slip to if I didn't have access to running water.

[Lorizael]

No. To me, objective morality is simply unrelated to human actions and is currently unknowable to us. I refer to being a good person and all that jazz as the ethics of human conduct or something like that, and I don't believe being good in that respect is necessarily meaningful or important. Yes, I use these terms differently than most people do, but I believe the distinction I draw is important and useful.