He is risen!

[kentonio]

Atheists also tell people that they are wrong. Everyone does that. You're being an *******.

I'm not being an *******, I'm not accusing you of anything or insulting you, I'm just talking with you. Incidentally if an atheist tells someone religious that they are wrong when neither can prove their case, then they're being just as close minded. I come close to doing that myself occasionally in all honesty, but I always try and remember that no matter how sure I feel myself, I cannot prove it and therefore have to at least consider the alternatives.

[Kidlicious]

"Well no, she's saying that feminists don't hate men, which with a few radfem exceptions is true. It's not close minded to not say something she doesn't believe."

A man-hating facebook meme can get 3000 likes in a day. You have problems.

[Kidlicious]

I'm not being an *******, I'm not accusing you of anything or insulting you, I'm just talking with you. Incidentally if an atheist tells someone religious that they are wrong when neither can prove their case, then they're being just as close minded. I come close to doing that myself occasionally in all honesty, but I always try and remember that no matter how sure I feel myself, I cannot prove it and therefore have to at least consider the alternatives.

[kentonio]

A man-hating facebook meme can get 3000 likes in a day. You have problems.

Dude, as of late 2014 Facebook had 1.35 billion monthly active users.

Good to see you're not in any way being close minded.

[Kidlicious]

"Dude, as of late 2014 Facebook had 1.35 billion monthly active users."

What does that have to do with people telling others not to call people what they are?

[Kidlicious]

"


Good to see you're not in any way being close minded. "

And I see that you are incapable of using a dictionary.

[kentonio]

Ok, you've slipped back into crazy. Those brief moments of appearing reasonable seem to be shortening by the month.

[Kidlicious]

I follow a blog written by an Orthodox priest. He argues that what we usually call "morality" is merely external obedience to rules, and does not touch the inner being. Therefore, it is a load of crap. But most contemporary Western morals, religious or secular, follow precisely that pattern. They're about bourgeois respectability, not actual goodness.

Your priest understates the matter. Morality is used by society to manipulate individuals into conformity. Your argument that people can't decide for themselves what to believe is the same thing. Or did I misunderstand you?

[dannubis]

I follow a blog written by an Orthodox priest. He argues that what we usually call "morality" is merely external obedience to rules, and does not touch the inner being. Therefore, it is a load of crap. But most contemporary Western morals, religious or secular, follow precisely that pattern. They're about bourgeois respectability, not actual goodness.

And you believe that bull**** ?

[Elok]

I did until I read your cogent counter-argument there. Now I'm going to get me an "and you believe that bull****" bumper sticker.

[Elok]

Lori and Elok: It is entirely logical to treat others as you would have them treat you.

As a general rule, given certain circumstances. Even then, there are plenty of exceptions.

In the last couple of years I have started enjoying blogs. I just realised Elok had a blog yesterday (and it has some good entries, I recommend that others read it).

Thanks! Bear in mind that I very rarely update it. It might go defunct.

[dannubis]

I did until I read your cogent counter-argument there. Now I'm going to get me an "and you believe that bull****" bumper sticker.

I didn't think it needed any "cogent argument" because I assumed your answer to my question would be: "No, because that would be extremely presumptuous of me".

[ricketyclik]

As a general rule, given certain circumstances. Even then, there are plenty of exceptions.

Such as? Bear in mind I left out the qualifier "given the situations are reversed".

[Elok]

Why, heavens no. I would never hold a belief implying that people who disagree with me are incorrect, nossiree.

But srsly, there really should be an "And you believe that bull****?" bumper sticker. I'd buy one, except my wife would never let us put it on our car.

[Elok]

Such as? Bear in mind I left out the qualifier "given the situations are reversed".

Well, basically any situation where the other person is in no position to do unto me as I am doing unto him. Which is true much of the time. Most of the things we consider really terrible are cases where the victim is powerless to retaliate, e.g. almost everything ISIS does. Also some less-terrible but still-wrong things, like Nigerian e-mail scamming. If you can make an otherwise unattainable amount of cash defrauding foreigners, and the risk of punishment is slight, there's no readily apparent reason not to. And then there's the really petty ****, like cutting a guy off in traffic because you just don't feel like modifying your speed. That guy is highly unlikely to be in a position to return the favor at any point. Sure, it would suck if everyone did it, Kant aside, I am in no position to assume the rule I am following must be universalized as the rule for all mankind.