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  • #46
    If you did nothing but fly on commercial airlines 24/7, and the only possible cause of death were from airplane crashes, your life expectancy would be over 11,000 years. If it literally cost a single penny to implement the change it still wouldn't be a cost-effective way of reducing the risk of death.
    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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    • #47
      It would, however, be a cost effective way of reducing travelers' stress.
      No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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      • #48
        It's not free. You have to have someone who is already stuck on the plane sit in the cockpit instead of outside it. That means they have to walk several feet extra while sitting around on the plane for a few hours. Calories are burned. If we take the cost of the food which is used for fuel and multiply it by the number of flights which of the following can we say?

        a) it is more expensive than having a couple hundred people unnecessarily die ...
        b) I'm not a heartless moron

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        • #49
          Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
          It would, however, be a cost effective way of reducing travelers' stress.
          People are morons.
          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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          • #50
            There's nothing heartless about suggesting that our resources be directed towards preventing more deaths rather than fewer. In fact, I would say that those clamoring to make airlines safer are the heartless ones, insisting on the rare and strange and unusual causes of death being prevented before the usual, familiar and far more deadly causes.
            If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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            • #51
              Greyhound buses can have what, 50 passengers? 60? At any moment the driver could decide to take it off an overpass and kill dozens of people, possibly over a hundred if he gets a nice pileup, in addition to stopping traffic on a major road for extended periods of time. Why don't we require co-drivers for buses? Think of what could happen?

              Answer: Because it's idiotic. People almost never die from bus crashes.
              If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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              • #52
                Face it, you're a heartless moron. You've come to the conclusion that spending even an extra penny on a flight to keep an incident like this from happening isn't worth it. You're massively devaluing human life based on a false dichotomy you've concocted along with an ignorant supposition of a zero sum game.

                The analogy to the bus is moronic because:

                - Airlines have extra staff on all flights already, buses generally don't.
                - Airlines at 35,000 feet (when a pilot or co-pilot is going to leave the cockpit) take much, much longer to crash than a bus in traffic. There is essentially nothing you could do to stop a bus driver from causing a traffic accident if they wanted to, even if you were constantly poised with a taser to their throat. (Which of course would result in far more traffic accidents anyway.)

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                  Greyhound buses can have what, 50 passengers? 60? At any moment the driver could decide to take it off an overpass and kill dozens of people, possibly over a hundred if he gets a nice pileup, in addition to stopping traffic on a major road for extended periods of time. Why don't we require co-drivers for buses? Think of what could happen?

                  Answer: Because it's idiotic. People almost never die from bus crashes.
                  As a matter of fact, that came up on my local talk radio station the other day, with school bus drivers pointed out specifically. The general consensus was that anything that could be said with regard to testing and regulating airline pilots should also go for bus drivers and other public tranport operators.
                  No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                  • #54
                    That would astronomically increase the cost of public transit, while doing almost nothing to reduce actual deaths.
                    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Aeson View Post
                      Face it, you're a heartless moron.
                      An inhuman assbag. This is exactly why I have him on ignore. A human life only matters if it can benefit his bottom line.
                      Founder of The Glory of War, CHAMPIONS OF APOLYTON!!!
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                      • #56
                        I don't even have a bottom line...

                        You all are confusing "heartless" with "capable of quantifying risk"
                        If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                          People are morons.
                          People are also customers, and also vote. Sometimes you have to allow for irrationality.
                          No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                            I don't even have a bottom line...

                            You all are confusing "heartless" with "capable of quantifying risk"
                            No, you aren't capable in that regard.

                            Basically you'd rather they didn't serve a single less peanut on a flight to save those lives. If you add up all those peanuts ... and think it matters ...

                            YOU'RE A HEARTLESS MORON.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                              If you did nothing but fly on commercial airlines 24/7, and the only possible cause of death were from airplane crashes, your life expectancy would be over 11,000 years. If it literally cost a single penny to implement the change it still wouldn't be a cost-effective way of reducing the risk of death.
                              Here an argument you may understand. Companies should enact a policy of the pilot and co-pilot not leaving the cockpit on a short hop flight. Going to the toilet costs the company money as they aren't doing their jobs whilst they are taking a piss, and it raises the risk of mass murder by a negligible but quantifiable amount.
                              One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                                Usually doesn't matter; they'd be liable under Respondeat superior.

                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respondeat_superior
                                What about..

                                Originally posted by Wiki
                                3. Was the agent motivated to any degree to benefit the principal by committing the act?

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