Barbarity in the USA! (Sung to Springsteen's memorable hit)

[Kidlicious]

What about the pan-humanitarian principles? (values/rights naturally inherited on an ideologucal level to every man just by being a man - after the french revolution)

by man I mean human

The vast majority of people still believe you have to qualify for rights.

[Kidlicious]

I have a few different theories.

1. This could be a form of youthful rebellion. "Oooh look at me, I'm so edgy. I don't believe human life has value." Perhaps an attention seeking behavior.

2. Because he's a smart guy, perhaps he feels the need to have a more "intelligent" belief system because, well, he's just so smart! That's also a form of being edgy and contrarian. "Oooh I'm so smart. I thought out my belief system and came to the conclusion that human life has no value. Look at me. I'm so smart." Also, attention seeking.

3. His "beliefs" could be a symptom of an underlying neurological issue. I know Lori struggles. Whether congenital or as a result of trauma, it doesn't matter. Also, it could be that he has a personality disorder of some type. Again, the cause is irrelevant.

Sometimes, physics, math, and engineering types are unable to think in any other manner beyond what makes them good in those respective fields. They use thought processes inappropriate for the subject of morality because they are simply unable to think any other way.

I can't say for sure. These are just theories.

If any of this is true you seem to be trying to take advantage of it.

[Sava]

How so? What possible benefit could I get?

I'm all ears.

[Kidlicious]

How so? What possible benefit could I get?

I'm all ears.

1). Some might think that he's wrong because he has psychological issues which is a prejudice.
2). You might discourage him from continuing.

[Sava]

How do I benefit from that?

[Kidlicious]

How do I benefit from that?

You think it's bad to not think it was immoral to do what Hitler did, right? Which means you would benefit from people disagreeing with Lori.

[Sava]

How do I benefit from what other people agree/disagree with?

(in the context of forums on a gaming website)

[Kidlicious]

How do I benefit from what other people agree/disagree with?

(in the context of forums on a gaming website)

If you don't benefit from people agreeing with you why are you trying to get them to agree with you? Are you irrational?

[Sava]

Who says I'm trying to get people to agree with me?

Are you irrational?

I'm sure a case could be made.

[Kidlicious]

Who says I'm trying to get people to agree with me?



I'm sure a case could be made.

Can we just agree that his depression doesn't invalidate his beliefs.

[Sava]

Can we just agree that his depression doesn't invalidate his beliefs.

Is that a question?

[Kidlicious]

Is that a question?

Yes, I forgot the ?

[Sava]

As I've shared before, I've suffered from depression for a long time... so I have quite a bit of expertise on the matter.

Depression casts a filter over your entire perception. So yes, depression could possibly invalidate his beliefs. That's why cognitive behavioral therapy exists... CBT. It seeks to refrain irrational belief systems and thought processes.

However, I would say Lori's beliefs are a reflection of his depression... not a cause. It's hard to say how much they reinforce his negative thinking... as I'm just going by what brief statements he's made.

As he said, his beliefs are quite complex. I fully admit to not having a complete understanding of them.

His amoral approach to the value of human life is probably a result of the negative treatment he's received over the years (bullying and whatnot). It's a shame that in order to not become a hateful monster, he's had to result to completely ignoring the question of the moral value of human life (in a subjective sense) for the sake of his own well being.

I'm not necessarily taking him to task for that as I am empathizing with the situation that put him in that position.

[Kidlicious]

As I've shared before, I've suffered from depression for a long time... so I have quite a bit of expertise on the matter.

Depression casts a filter over your entire perception. So yes, depression could possibly invalidate his beliefs. That's why cognitive behavioral therapy exists... CBT. It seeks to refrain irrational belief systems and thought processes.

However, I would say Lori's beliefs are a reflection of his depression... not a cause. It's hard to say how much they reinforce his negative thinking... as I'm just going by what brief statements he's made.

As he said, his beliefs are quite complex. I fully admit to not having a complete understanding of them.

His amoral approach to the value of human life is probably a result of the negative treatment he's received over the years (bullying and whatnot). It's a shame that in order to not become a hateful monster, he's had to result to completely ignoring the question of the moral value of human life (in a subjective sense) for the sake of his own well being.

I'm not necessarily taking him to task for that as I am empathizing with the situation that put him in that position.

The belief that one should eliminate emotions in order to understand truth is based in stoic philosophy and that would make an interesting discussion. But what's happening here? Because it seems that you are trying to give Lori therapy. Is this helping you prove your point? Because you seem to be trying to kill two birds with one stone.

[Aeson]

One problem with this is that there's a difference in what you think you believe and what you actually believe. We can and do fool ourselves into believing that we believe whatever makes us feel good. That's why we like to believe that we believe in codes of morality like utilitarianism.

That isn't a problem with what I said. I wasn't speaking about individual's specific beliefs.