Barbarity in the USA! (Sung to Springsteen's memorable hit)

[Lorizael]

I'm fundamentally amoral. I won't argue that Hitler's actions weren't bad for humanity, but they were not immoral acts in my book, because humanity has no intrinsic value to me. Yes, this is hideous, blah blah.

[Main_Brain]

Good News, Hitler is now exiled (from Austria).

[Sava]

I'm fundamentally amoral. I won't argue that Hitler's actions weren't bad for humanity, but they were not immoral acts in my book, because humanity has no intrinsic value to me. Yes, this is hideous, blah blah.

not hideous... but it does say a lot about you

[Lorizael]

not hideous... but it does say a lot about you

What it should say about me is that 12 years ago an existential crisis precipitated a philosophical epiphany leading to the conclusion that true knowledge of objective morality requires omniscience. Instead, most people take it to mean I'm a cretin only held in check by fear of punishment.

[Bereta_Eder]

What about the pan-humanitarian principles? (values/rights naturally inherited on an ideologucal level to every man just by being a man - after the french revolution)

by man I mean human

[iHateFatPeople]

My answer to Hitler is a choice: brainwashing or exile. Anyone who does terrible things but wants to live in my society must consent to brainwashing so that they no longer want to do terrible things. If they do not consent, that's fine: exile. The problems with my system are that we're not yet very good at brainwashing people and if my utopia succeeds, there will be increasingly fewer places to exile a person that aren't, say, the moon. I should also not be in charge of anything.

Does the idea of the government having the power to brainwash people so they'll obey the government scare you at all?

[Lorizael]

Does the idea of the government having the power to brainwash people so they'll obey the government scare you at all?

You've misunderstood me/I've poorly explained myself (probably because I like using the word brainwash), so there's no good way for me to answer your question, because your question doesn't really pertain to anything I'm actually talking about. If you'd like, I could give a detailed explanation of what I actually mean, but it would involve me writing an essay.

[Sava]

What it should say about me is that 12 years ago an existential crisis precipitated a philosophical epiphany leading to the conclusion that true knowledge of objective morality requires omniscience. Instead, most people take it to mean I'm a cretin only held in check by fear of punishment.

I just think you've thought yourself into retardation.

[Lorizael]

I can guess at what you mean by that, but I'm not sure exactly and I'm not interested in defending myself against abstruse reactions to an incomplete expression of what I believe.

[Sava]

I can guess at what you mean by that, but I'm not sure exactly and I'm not interested in defending myself against abstruse reactions to an incomplete expression of what I believe.

No need to defend yourself. Own it!

[Sava]

In my experience, the more someone has to explain themselves, the dumber their beliefs are. Just saying

[Lorizael]

Yes, I'm aware that you believe effort = failure.

[N35t0r]

I'd post something to the point, but I don't believe in free will, and it looks like I'm too tired and bored for that.

[FlameFlash]

I'm only generally opposed to the death penalty in practice because the justice system is garbage. If you ask me, life in prison is more barbarous than putting someone out of our misery.

That, and the death penalty is actually more expensive due to all the appeals and whatnot.

[Lorizael]

The death penalty being more expensive than life imprisonment is an argument against the death penalty as instituted, not an argument against it generally.