Exit Polls Suggest Syriza Has Won Greek Election

[Sava]

It's a brilliant thing to write, and I believe every word of it.

Doubling down on stupid

[Felch]

So you don't believe anybody is at fault for anything?

[Sava]

So you don't believe anybody is at fault for anything?

I do not believe in collective responsibility.

Beyond that, I have no idea what sort of leap in logic you just made with that over-generalization.

[Sava]

I've been DanSing left and right. Sorry about that.

Here's the thread I was referring to:

http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/207538-quantifying-moral-responsibility

[Felch]

What about in a criminal conspiracy? If someone is on lookout while his friends beat someone to death for being a homosexual, doesn't he share some of the blame?

[Felch]

I've been DanSing left and right. Sorry about that.

Here's the thread I was referring to:

http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/2...responsibility

Loin's got it right in the third post.

If a guy is running for President and he says "I want to kill all of the Jews" and you vote for him then you share part of the blame when he's elected and kills all of the Jews (and even if he's not elected then voting for him would be a Bad Thing). If instead the candidate says "I'm going to lower taxes or raise taxes or do somethingoranother with taxes" or whatever and then you vote for him and he's elected and he says "Just kidding I'm going to kill all of the Jews" then you wouldn't share any of the blame.

If the Greek governments lied to their people about fiscal policies, then the Greek people wouldn't be responsible. But the Greeks voted for a welfare state their government couldn't afford. Just as we elected politicians who promised to be "tough on crime."

[Colon™]

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**** it: tired of this discussion

[Thoth]

I just saw a pic of Croatia's new president.

Now that is a PILF.

[Dinner]

I'd hit it.

[Dinner]

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31055069

Well, those "negotiations" went as expect.

Self declared Marxist Greek guy: Give us free money, now!

EU: No.

Greece: You are mean. We won't talk to you any more until you give us money for nothing!



I put the chances of a Greek default at about 80% and then it is going to be a huge jump in inflation, a virtual economic collapse in Greece, all the banks going bust, and the ECB simply shutting the Greeks out of the Euro forcing them to print a new drachma. Everyone who hasn't moved all of their cash over seas or converted it to tangle assets loses most of their savings. Oh, and, yes, the Greek people who voted for these ass clowns deserve what they are going to get.

[Fake Boris]

Ron Paul says that, and he's got something of a point, but I think that's pushing it. I think that we have a portion of the responsibility, since we never wiped the house off Saud of the face of the Earth, but we're not entirely responsible.

Americans are responsible for the governments that we elect, and for the policies they enact. We're responsible for having a higher proportion of our people incarcerated than any other country. We're responsible for the War on Drugs, and the countless people who suffer as a result of it. We're responsible for police who murder minorities, and we're responsible for lotteries that target the poor and ignorant. We're responsible for a whole lot of ****.

Pretending otherwise is childish.

I respect your sense of duty, but let me disagree. You have so little control on your constitutional oligarchy, you can't be held responsible for all its ****.

[pchang]

This will be a great experiment. It should generate a whole raft of PhD theses in economics.

[Dinner]

Now that they have cut off negotiations with the troika and stormed off in a huff the moron is trying a new track. He is claiming Germany owes Greece trillions in reparations for WW2. Oh, I am sure that argument will work.

He is so busy trying to pretend to be a victim he is ignoring how he is going to destroy his country's economy. We are talking just absolute lunacy here.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Very biased from BBC, but Yanis did well.

"journos love the language of confrontation!" - yes, especially the ones with an agenda like this one here.

[C0ckney]

He is so busy trying to pretend to be a victim he is ignoring how he is going to destroy his country's economy. We are talking just absolute lunacy here.

you, and other idiots, keep saying that the "economy will collapse", "it will be destroyed" etc.. it seems that you must have been asleep for the last six years, during which time the economy has contracted by 25%, unemployment has reached 25% and people's living standards have fallen immensely. in other words, the economy has collapsed, and it collapsed following the policies imposed by the TROIKA and the supine greek government; yet you continue to insist that the answer is more of the same, success is just around the corner - presumably if we all just close our eyes and keep believing, the god of the invisible hand will save us.

the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.