Exit Polls Suggest Syriza Has Won Greek Election

[Bereta_Eder]

Besides don't you know what EU constructive ambiguity is?

http://esharp.eu/jargon/constructive-ambiguity/

One could even interpet the signing document as a promise to even reduce debt after 4 months, if one was so inclined.
(won't happen but you can read it that way).
Besides syriza is now taking huge flank from the opposition which is accusing it of doing exactly what they did.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
Smells like a capitulation, walks like a capitulation, quacks like a capitulation.
But it's not yet proven that it is.

[Dauphin]

if the revolution in germany had succeeded, there wouldn't have been a nazi government and thus no WW2, no holocaust etc.

If Germany had won WWI.....ditto.

[Bereta_Eder]

Yes but the paralelisms start during the period between WWI and WW2.
(leaving apart the historical fact that germany never wins)

[Imran Siddiqui]

not even close but I am glad you are having fun trolling. Everyone pretty much agreed the EU would kick the can down the road a few months rather than take the needed decisive action.

Whatever happened to Germany wants to kick out Greece? How conveniently you've forgotten that .

[Bereta_Eder]

He wants Greece out of the euro so that some PIIGS won't ask for more bacon or something??


BTW I'm not anti-german or anything.
1/3 of germans believe capitalism is the source of poverty and 60% believe that there's no real democracy since the industry has too powerful a voice.
You can't be against those people

[C0ckney]

If Germany had won WWI.....ditto.

very true, but i think pchang was implying that the effect may have been similar to the star trek storyline he referenced; i was just putting him straight.

(and obviously shooting rosa luxemburg is the great symbol of social democratic betrayal etc.)

[C0ckney]

I love how Cockney tries to dodge the fact that he was completely wrong and then tries to pretend I said something I didn't. Paiktis's called for protectionism in Greece, I said that wasn't allowed in the EU, he said he would leave the EU, and the Cockney ran his mouth babbling nonsense pretending people said entirely different things.

it was obvious, but now pakitis has removed all doubt, so i suppose we can add reading comprehension to the list of things you can't do.

[FlameFlash]

He wants Greece out of the euro so that some PIIGS won't ask for more bacon or something??


BTW I'm not anti-german or anything.
1/3 of germans believe capitalism is the source of poverty and 60% believe that there's no real democracy since the industry has too powerful a voice.
You can't be against those people

Bacon!? Where?

[Sava]

Yeah, and it's always difficult to legislate "CULTURE";

depends on how forceful you want to implement it

[Bereta_Eder]

[Bereta_Eder]

In regards to tax evasion, it doesn't matter if you legislate it, it matters if one can actually pay.

There are two kinds.
One that is untracable and one that is tracable but can't be payed.

So if you have a shop and business is down paying taxes will put you out of business, so you don't.

If one though does make large sums of money and still evades taxes it is considered reprehensible.
Extrainstitutional consensus.

The state is not seen as giving an even playing field and that's true because if taking blood from a stone is the purpose, then **** that.
If the state uses its power to protect certain casts from taxes but overtaxes others, then of course one doesn't really have an incentive to pay, more so if he simply can't.

Though, classes that can't tax evade no matter what are pensioners, salaried people etc so they are the ones getting shafted.
Business owners have ways of not paying. But some of them, if they did pay, they'd be out of business.

And of course big business, media, maybe banks pay nothing. Literally nothing in the case of TV media. (something that completely screws their objectivity in internal issues since they'd want for that to continue and that depends on the state)

I think tax evasion (by the regular people) is nothing. Actually the tax evasion blame scheme is a scam.
Create an even playing field, quit protecing castes and then go ahead and ask for taxes. I'm sure sure the culture would change then.

Untill that happens society had reached an extrainstitutional consenus level that the crises ****ed and not in a good way.
So no. Tax evasion probably isn't the cause. As far as Greece is concerned (and the whole world for that matter), the problem lies elsewhere.

[rah]

Well it seems the whole world is buying into this as world markets close at record highs.
Pass the koolaid around again.

[Bereta_Eder]

That doesn't reassure me. It's irrelevant to me.

[rah]

I didn't say it reassured me either, just making an observation.

And partially relevant to me since it momentarily increases the value of my 401K.

[Dinner]

Whatever happened to Germany wants to kick out Greece? How conveniently you've forgotten that .

Do you even understand the difference between the common currency, the Euro, and being a member of the European Union? They are not the same and several countries are part of one but not the other.