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  • #31
    Originally posted by Aeson View Post
    So ... we wait for them to conquer Europe, then if the Japanese attack us get involved?

    And wait for the Bush family to start trading with them- if they aren't already doing so.


    The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

    His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

    The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

    The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.

    Remarkably, little of Bush's dealings with Germany has received public scrutiny, partly because of the secret status of the documentation involving him. But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust survivors against the Bush family, and the imminent publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush's business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W, as he seeks re-election.

    While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war.
    Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president.
    Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

    ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
      Radical islam is like nazism and deserves to be stamped out in a similar fashion.

      No, I'm not serb. I'm being dead serious.
      I´d say it isn´t just fundamentalist islam. Religious fundamentalism, no matter what religion, is the problem.
      All too often it seems to be accompanied with thinking that other people (who don´t share the faith) are inferior or even evil.
      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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      • #33
        How often do fundamentalist Christians murder cartoonists?
        John Brown did nothing wrong.

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        • #34
          It's not front page news, but over the past couple days Boko Haram has killed dozens in raids on Nigerian villages, and dozens of police recruits were killed by other fundamentalists in Yemen.

          Islamic fundamentalism isn't the same thing as other religious fundamentalists. Christian fundies are *******s, but they're not murderous *******s, certainly not on the scale of Muslims.
          John Brown did nothing wrong.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Felch View Post
            How often do fundamentalist Christians murder cartoonists?
            Well, some of them murder abortion doctors.
            They also murdered lots of people during times when they had power over society (although AFAIK at these times noone drew cartoons (but I am sure any cartoonist at these times who made fun of the pope or christian values would have been murdered as well).

            Nevertheless .. I agree with you that muslim fundamentalists during our times are worse than other religious fundamentalists. But religious fundamentalisms no matter what faith at its core carries the seed for injustices and voilence, especially if it gains power in society.
            Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
            Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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            • #36
              Islamic Fundamentalism doesn't have power in France and we still have violence.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Wikipedia
                In the U.S., violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.
                That's since 1993. The number killed at Charlie Hebdo by Muslims on Wednesday exceeds the number of abortion providers killed by Christians over the past twenty years. And the Charlie Hebdo attack wasn't even the only instance of mass murder committed in the name of Islam that day.
                John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                  Islamic Fundamentalism doesn't have power in France and we still have violence.
                  But there are countries in which islamic fundamentalism has great power. Countries that can be compared to theocracies in which the muslim fundamentalist lifestyle is supported by the government (and in which voices that speak against the islamic religion [and promote other lifestyles that aren´t sanctioned by muslim preachers] can be silenced by the government).

                  In contrast to this there have been no christian theocracies (except the vatican) since centuries ... thanks to the enlightenment that the renaissance brought (where the church lost its power over society and people were allowed to have opinions that differed from the churches official doctrine and teach things that weren´t officially sanctioned). And with the loss of power, the amount of christian religious motivated violence decreased

                  I have no doubts that, if christian fundamentalism would ever gain power in society again (in at least in some countries), to an extent that it could be compared to european states in the medieval ages or compared to some muslim countries today, then we would also seen an increase in christian religious motivated violence again.

                  (I might add that, although I used christianity in this example, I refer to fundamentalism of all religions ...if we had a cetain percentage of jewish or hinduist fundamentalist theocracies (for example) in the world, they would surely be as fertile breeding grounds for religious violence as the muslim ones are (or the christian ones have been))
                  Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                  Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                  • #39
                    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                    ){ :|:& };:

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                      A friend of mine was nearly sacked for circulating an image like that on the work email system. I think if mainstream publications routinely published offensive images of, say, JC they might find themselves targeted with violence.

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                      • #41
                        I strongly doubt it. There are many that actually do.

                        Getting sacked from work for putting sexually explicit, sacrilegious, offensive images on the email system is not what I'm talking about and actually pretty reasonable.
                        If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                        ){ :|:& };:

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                          I strongly doubt it. There are many that actually do.
                          Would you care to provide an example?

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                          • #43
                            What about an entire movie taking the piss out of JC?

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python%27s_Life_of_Brian

                            Probably the greatest satire movie of all time!

                            "So funny it was banned in Norway!"


                            I thought Nikolai was only young...
                            Last edited by I AM MOBIUS; January 9, 2015, 05:54.
                            "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by I AM MOBIUS View Post
                              What about an entire movie taking the piss out of JC?

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_P..._Life_of_Brian
                              That wasn't blatantly offensive to JC himself, it was more about modern Christians don't you think? Even then, they were at great pains to be respectful (according to John Cleese).

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                              • #45
                                That magazine was extremely antipolitically correct. It made fun of exactly what pissed people off the most.
                                Imagine cartoons of a certain black personality in France with his head and inside a very tiny brain, or Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit in a homosexual trio etc (to "promote" gay marriage)
                                It was in its "character" let's say to be provocative over the line.


                                France is being devoured by race questions for a long time now from what I gather (and I could be wrong of course)

                                In any case, the killers allegendly had connections with radical parties in Yemen, so I think this does qualify as an "islamic terror attack" and on the same time it's a huge question about minorities in France. BUT on the same time, they are french citizens. Grew up in France.

                                About the hypocricy of some here who shout Je Suis Charlie but would some of them start court proceedings the minute a magazine published what Charlie Hendo did, here? (with jesus etc) I bet they would. And with the antiquiated blasphemy law still in theoretical action, they could even get a sentence (that would maybe overturned later)

                                When last temptation of christ was out on movie theaters here, there were some fanatics going around outside the theater trying to bang people on the head with crosses.

                                OTOH hand I think some respect should be observed for societal peace. But what's the limit in order not to stiffle at all free speech? Damn if I know.

                                In any case, satyre proved again its potency.
                                Last edited by Bereta_Eder; January 9, 2015, 06:11.

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