Republicans have a hard on for torture

[molly bloom]

These people had training on resisting interrogation.

Which individuals who were tortured do you know, as a certainty, had had training to resist interrogation techniques ?

Tell me how, as an oft-proclaimed Christian, the torture and degradation of a fellow human being fits into Christ's plan for humanity. With specific references to Christ's own words and actions as related in the New Testament.

Being a keen student of history I can tell you that torture is a very blunt and unreliable instrument- if we look just as far back as the campaign against the Knights Templars, we can see that under torture many individuals will simply relate what their captors and torturers want to hear or have told them to say.

There's no shame in this, because not everyone has a high pain threshold.

If you think that participating in torture somehow leaves an individual unaffected, then you're clearly unacquainted with the career of Richard Topcliffe, who dealt out punishments for the government of Elizabeth I.

Or for that the matter the likes of the various South and Central American paramilitary/government torturers, kindly trained with American assistance.

[Kidlicious]

Which individuals who were tortured do you know, as a certainty, had had training to resist interrogation techniques ?

Tell me how, as an oft-proclaimed Christian, the torture and degradation of a fellow human being fits into Christ's plan for humanity. With specific references to Christ's own words and actions as related in the New Testament.

Being a keen student of history I can tell you that torture is a very blunt and unreliable instrument- if we look just as far back as the campaign against the Knights Templars, we can see that under torture many individuals will simply relate what their captors and torturers want to hear or have told them to say.

There's no shame in this, because not everyone has a high pain threshold.

If you think that participating in torture somehow leaves an individual unaffected, then you're clearly unacquainted with the career of Richard Topcliffe, who dealt out punishments for the government of Elizabeth I.

Or for that the matter the likes of the various South and Central American paramilitary/government torturers, kindly trained with American assistance.

Mark 2:27

You are an expert at saying a lot but saying nothing. It may be true that these tactics fail, but they work at other times.

[C0ckney]

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath

well that's about as relevant as what you usually post, you miserable excuse for a man.

[Kidlicious]

You really are dumb COckney.

[molly bloom]

Mark 2:27

The whole is preferable to the fragment :

Mark 2:27-28King James Version (KJV)

27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

So f*ck all to do with the eligibility of torture of a fellow human being as an investigatory technique.

As you might put it :

You are an expert at saying nothing.

If you were a higher life form I'd imagine you might be capable of feeling shame.

What Christians did to the Templars :

“As our readers fortunately cannot be supposed familiarly acquainted with the mild and gentle modes employed by the brethren of St. Dominic, for eliciting the truth, we will present a slight sketch of some of them, that they may be able to form some idea of the value of rack-extorted testimony. Sometimes the patient was stripped naked, his hands were tied behind his back, heavy weights were fastened to his feet, and the cord which confined his hands passed over a pulley. At a given signal he was hoisted into the air, where he hung suspended by his arms, which were thus drawn out of their natural position: then suddenly the cord would be let run, but checked before the patient reached the ground, and thus a tremendous shock given to his frame. Another mode of torture was to fasten the feet of the patient on an instrument, which prevented his drawing them back; they were then rubbed with some unctuous substance, and set before a flaming fire; a board was occasionally placed between his feet and the fire, and withdrawn again, in order to increase his pain by intervals of cessation. The heel of the patient was at times enclosed in an iron heel, which could be tightened at pleasure, and thus caused excruciating pain. What was regarded as a very gentle mode, and only indulged to those who had not strength to undergo the preceding tortures, was to place round sticks between their fingers, and compress them till the bones of the fingers were cracked. The teeth of the Templars were occasionally drawn, their feet roasted, weights suspended from all parts of their bodies; and thus they gave their testimony without constraint!

What is understood as testimony or confession, by inquisitors, is an affirmative answer to such questions as they ask. They usually assume the guilt of the accused; and no witnesses for the defense are heard. It is useless to prove the absurdity and unreasonableness of the charges; for that would be impugning the sense and judgment of those who gave ear to them; and promises are always held out that, if full and free confession is made, the criminal will he gently dealt with. The accused is, moreover, always confined in a solitary cell; he has none to console and cheer him; he feels abandoned by the whole world; conscious innocence is of no avail; his only hope is in the mercy of his judge. The Templars, we must recollect, were seized towards the commencement of winter; and at that season a dungeon of the middle ages must have been cheerless beyond description. They were barely allowed the necessaries of life; they were stripped of the habit of the order, and denied the consolations of religion, for they were treated as heretics; and they were shown a real or pretended letter of their Master, in which he confessed the crimes of the order, and exhorted them to do the same.

....

Need we then be surprised that, beguiled by the hopes held out, numbers of them readily acknowledged all the charges made against their order? and must we not so much the more admire the constancy of those who, unseduced by flattering hopes, and undismayed by menaces and torture, yielded up their breath rather than confess a falsehood?”

Secret Societies of the Middle Ages: Thomas Keightley

[Kidlicious]

In your country interrogators are sued for banging their fist on the table. Is banging your fist on the table a sin?

[molly bloom]

In your country interrogators are sued for banging their fist on the table. Is banging your fist on the table a sin?

Yawns loudly and lengthily.

You are an expert at saying nothing.

[Kidlicious]

I imagine that terrorism isn't much concern to you.

[molly bloom]

I imagine that terrorism isn't much concern to you.

You, imagine ?

That's rich....

[loinburger]

Loin, I think you're letting Kid get under your skin too much. Remember, as you've said, he seems to be an unbalanced imbecile. Is he worth your time and energy?

Up until very recently I had been operating on the assumption that he was at least in part trolling (like BK), but it's become clear that he really is just a thoroughly ****ty person and, as you say, not worth the time and energy. The new plan is to just reply to all of his posts with

[loinburger]

Mark 2:27

You are an expert at saying a lot but saying nothing. It may be true that these tactics fail, but they work at other times.

[Kidlicious]

Sorry that preventing harm to civilians sickens you.

[loinburger]

Sorry that preventing harm to civilians sickens you.

[Kidlicious]

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[Pedotard]

If you could save 100 lives by torturing one person to death would you do it? I would.