SCOTUS declares its time for Obamacare Round II

[Kidlicious]

being a person who is familiar with the mental health system, i've had the benefit of being professionally tested (this is one of my favorite trolls)

SO YEAH I AM A GIANT OF INTELLECT

AND U ARE DUM

Darn

[Kidlicious]

I don't want anyone wasting unnecessary funds on health care. So yeah, I want the government to pay for your health care. You're also young and don't cost a lot!

Idiot.

Why do I pay MORE now?

[DinoDoc]

So any bets on Gruber getting another consulting contract again?

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So any bets on Gruber getting another consulting contract again?

Talk about admission against interest.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I don't want anyone wasting unnecessary funds on health care. So yeah, I want the government to pay for your health care. You're also young and don't cost a lot!

Idiot.

In addition to the strange idea that medicine is a private good alone. As if it impacts nothing else... whose writing this posts? Ayn Rand?

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e: HC doesn't want me posting about this so nm

[kentonio]

Defense is a public good. Medicine is a private good. Being a public good is a necessary but not sufficient criterion for government support.

Healthcare is very much a public good. You might want to think about little things like infectious disease control for one thing. Looking more broadly it's then worth looking at things like working time lost due to unnecessary illness (and the economic effects of that), what exactly we do as a society with people who get sick and can't afford healthcare (we end up funding it one way or another anyway) and a whole host of other issues. Sick people don't just disappear when they get sick.

Point out for me what in here recommends public healthcare.

Which part are you struggling with? You ALREADY pay for uninsured people who get sick, but you do it in a horribly inefficient way that costs far more than if you just had a system that covers everyone. Or did you miss the part where America spends more per capita on healthcare than every other country on earth, and delivers worse outcomes than many of them?

For ****'s sake, in no universe does increasing demand on a macro scale reduce the price.

It's not about increasing demand ffs, universal healthcare doesn't make more people get sick, it just means you're dealing with the sick in a more efficient way. If you want to argue that that doesn't save money, then there's a world full of evidence to prove you wrong.

Or you could just have it all be private and people who can't afford it get some sort of welfare/voucher system.

You really don't get this? a) A welfare/voucher system just means that you're paying for someone elses healthcare anyway. b) If you have a voucher system, what do you do with the people who need more healthcare than the value of their voucher? Do you those people get dumped on the street to die?

Nice try but most health insurance companies and hospitals are nonprofit.

Here's the big 5 health insurance providers, which of them is non-profit?

WellPoint, Inc.
CIGNA Health Insurance Company
Aetna
Humana
United Healthcare

[Kidlicious]

In addition to the strange idea that medicine is a private good alone. As if it impacts nothing else... whose writing this posts? Ayn Rand?

Just because it's a good doesn't mean it should be funded. Liberals tend to think things are free.

[DaShi]

Economies that rely on consumers spending disposable income always function better when they have less overall disposable income... you know, because it's unfair that billionaires pay taxes.

because Obama

Go Japan!

[kentonio]

Just because it's a good doesn't mean it should be funded. Liberals tend to think things are free.

Unlike idiots who think that a system where the uninsured get healthcare paid for them anyway somehow doesn't give people free rides.

[DaShi]

Why do I pay MORE now?

Probably because you made bad life choices, like not voting for Obama.

[Kidlicious]

Unlike idiots who think that a system where the uninsured get healthcare paid for them anyway somehow doesn't give people free rides.

Uninsured was not the only problem in 2008. I remember the national discussion. Most Americans were concerned with the rising cost of healthcare, even more than the uninsured. I remember promises being made on both sides to lower costs. Well the liberals got the power to do healthcare reform, and look what we got, higher costs.

Plain and simple, Obama are is a failure. Call it what you will, but you can't shine a turd.

[kentonio]

The 'liberals' as you call them did not get the power to reform healthcare in the way they wanted, because otherwise you'd have universal healthcare right now. Jesus dude, show some common sense. All the evidence shows that proper socialized healthcare delivers better results and lower costs for everyone, so why are you beating some republican drum all of a sudden?

[Kidlicious]

The 'liberals' as you call them did not get the power to reform healthcare in the way they wanted, because otherwise you'd have universal healthcare right now. Jesus dude, show some common sense. All the evidence shows that proper socialized healthcare delivers better results and lower costs for everyone, so why are you beating some republican drum all of a sudden?

Because Obamacare is a failure. That's what the government does. It fails. I don't care if you give Republicans their share of the blame, but it's ridiculous not to blame democrats for Obamacare. It's their damn law.

[kentonio]

Obamacare isn't a failure, you just pay more now. You've become one of those people who only care about the dollars in their own pocket. Fair enough, it's sad to see how far you've changed, but it is what it is.