SCOTUS declares its time for Obamacare Round II

[Lorizael]

Aetna, you creepy mother****er.

[regexcellent]

Providing universal health coverage is ****ing stupid because:
a) it is perfectly legitimate not to get health insurance; the only reason it's crippling is because of laws designed to force people to get insurance such as allowing monopoly pricing schemes on drugs and doctor visits plus tax exemption of insurance but not medical expenses in general
b) there is no reason the government should pay for your **** if you can already pay for it yourself.

Universal healthcare is just so unbelievably retarded even on cursory inspection.

[-Jrabbit]

Spoken like a Fortunate Son.

[Lorizael]

There's a difference between everyone having health insurance and everyone having healthcare.

[Sava]

Knowing your understanding of econ/public finance you no doubt think that's free.

YUPO LOLOL

you realize I could knock 50 IQ points off and still be smarter than you

right?

[Sava]

Spoken like a Fortunate Son.

QFMFT

[kentonio]

Providing universal health coverage is ****ing stupid because:
a) it is perfectly legitimate not to get health insurance; the only reason it's crippling is because of laws designed to force people to get insurance such as allowing monopoly pricing schemes on drugs and doctor visits plus tax exemption of insurance but not medical expenses in general
b) there is no reason the government should pay for your **** if you can already pay for it yourself.

Universal healthcare is just so unbelievably retarded even on cursory inspection.

Not providing universal health coverage is ****ing stupid because:

a) Everyone gets sick and sometimes require hugely expensive treatment. If people do not have the capacity to pay for that treatment, the alternatives become either to let that person suffer and possible die or for the people who do have the resources to end up paying for the other peoples treatment. This can also be described as 'a free ride', which is kind of ironic considering the kind of people who traditionally oppose universal healthcare.

b) Government doesn't pay for anything, taxpayers pay for universal healthcare. In doing so they receive extremely preferential rates for a service they need due to bulk pricing negotiation and large scale infrastructure. Paying individually for healthcare is not only incredibly cost inefficient but also mindnumbingly stupid.

c) The best universal healthcare systems also allow private providers to operate alongside them. This not only reduces the overall burden on the system but also allows rich people to have their private rooms and perks.

d) Anyone who thinks the best way to increase treatment outcomes is to force patients to fill out endless forms, have their treatment costs queried by a private company desperate to save money and to require people to pay deductibles is basically a ****ing moron.

[Sava]

Economies that rely on consumers spending disposable income always function better when they have less overall disposable income... you know, because it's unfair that billionaires pay taxes.

because Obama

[N35t0r]

Providing universal defense coverage is stupid. Discuss.

[Kidlicious]

Aetna, you creepy mother****er.

You didn't tell them you were a woman, did you?

[Sava]

Providing universal defense coverage is stupid. Discuss.

It is ****ing retarded.

a. It is perfectly legitimate not to require military protection; the only reason it's crippling is because of laws designed to force people to receive protection such as allowing a government a monopoly on the legitimate use of force plus tax exemption for military contractors but not military equipment in general
b. There is no reason the government should pay for your **** if you can already pay for it yourself.

[Kidlicious]

YUPO LOLOL

you realize I could knock 50 IQ points off and still be smarter than you

right?

I was right?

[Sava]

being a person who is familiar with the mental health system, i've had the benefit of being professionally tested (this is one of my favorite trolls)

SO YEAH I AM A GIANT OF INTELLECT

AND U ARE DUM

[regexcellent]

Spoken like a Fortunate Son.

No. Jesus Christ. Do you not see how ****ing dumb it is for the government to be paying for my health care?

There's a difference between everyone having health insurance and everyone having healthcare.

Yes. Unfortunately, insurance is tax-advantaged and healthcare itself is not; meanwhile, insurance companies are allowed to engage in anti-competitive schemes such as negotiating higher prices for those not on insurance, in a bid to force people to pay for everything with insurance.

Providing universal defense coverage is stupid. Discuss.

Defense is a public good. Medicine is a private good. Being a public good is a necessary but not sufficient criterion for government support.

Not providing universal health coverage is ****ing stupid because:

a) Everyone gets sick and sometimes require hugely expensive treatment. If people do not have the capacity to pay for that treatment, the alternatives become either to let that person suffer and possible die or for the people who do have the resources to end up paying for the other peoples treatment. This can also be described as 'a free ride', which is kind of ironic considering the kind of people who traditionally oppose universal healthcare.

Point out for me what in here recommends public healthcare.

b) Government doesn't pay for anything, taxpayers pay for universal healthcare. In doing so they receive extremely preferential rates for a service they need due to bulk pricing negotiation and large scale infrastructure. Paying individually for healthcare is not only incredibly cost inefficient but also mindnumbingly stupid.

For ****'s sake, in no universe does increasing demand on a macro scale reduce the price.

c) The best universal healthcare systems also allow private providers to operate alongside them. This not only reduces the overall burden on the system but also allows rich people to have their private rooms and perks.

Or you could just have it all be private and people who can't afford it get some sort of welfare/voucher system.

d) Anyone who thinks the best way to increase treatment outcomes is to force patients to fill out endless forms, have their treatment costs queried by a private company desperate to save money and to require people to pay deductibles is basically a ****ing moron.

Nice try but most health insurance companies and hospitals are nonprofit.

[Sava]

No. Jesus Christ. Do you not see how ****ing dumb it is for the government to be paying for my health care?

I don't want anyone wasting unnecessary funds on health care. So yeah, I want the government to pay for your health care. You're also young and don't cost a lot!

Idiot.