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The Great Scottish FREEEEEEEEEDOOOMMMMM!!!!1!!! vote
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Originally posted by regexcellent View PostWhich dumbass in Parliament decided to make it legally binding? Was this to appease the Lib Dems or something? ...Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
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Bit like he thought promising a referendum on the EU also involved a limited risk. Who knows by the time Cameron has left office, he'll have blown up 2 unions. That oughta secure his place in the history books.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.
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Originally posted by Proteus_MST View PostI guess the prime minister was so sure of the outcome (i.e. that the majority of scots would decide to stay) that he thought: "Better let them cast their vote now (and have silence for another century or two before they demand another referendum) than at a worse time"
If Quebec is any guide it doesn't stop with one vote for No.(\__/)
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As a half Scottish person I must say this is the.dumbest vote ever and an independent Scotland would be an economic basket case despite the SNP's plan which seems to be based on wishful thinking, rainbows, and unicorn farts.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by regexcellent View PostCan't Parliament just revoke that authority then?The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland
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Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny View PostWe can't stop them using the pound in a sterlingised economy should they choose to, but that's a bit of a 3rd World approach to running things.
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In the United States, the states have authority over all matters not particularly specified in the constitution as belonging to the federal government, or otherwise forbidden from interference by the government in general. That's not true in Britain. In Britain, my understanding is that legally the government is allowed to proscribe exactly the rights of the Scottish Parliament. So can't it just say "you're not allowed to vote for independence?"
Also, even though we have state's rights here, that has been decided (admittedly, through war) to mean that states still can't vote to be independent.
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Originally posted by regexcellent View PostIn the United States, the states have authority over all matters not particularly specified in the constitution as belonging to the federal government, or otherwise forbidden from interference by the government in general. That's not true in Britain. In Britain, my understanding is that legally the government is allowed to proscribe exactly the rights of the Scottish Parliament. So can't it just say "you're not allowed to vote for independence?"
Also, even though we have state's rights here, that has been decided (admittedly, through war) to mean that states still can't vote to be independent.
We're a democracy and when people try and act undemocratically we get rather annoyed about it.
The stupid thing about the referendum is not that it's being held, but that a simple majority is enough to win it. For an issue as serious as independence that is absolute insanity. The polling is currently neck and neck, so whichever side wins, Scotland is going to be a deeply divided nation for years to come.
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So how is it legally binding at all? Parliament could just pass a law saying "just kidding". Or just not recognize it. I mean, I can see a number of maneuvers to make that work--their refusal to accept the national debt, for instance.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by regexcellent View PostSo can't it just say "you're not allowed to vote for independence?"
Democratic process #1
A referendum was held as to whether Scotland should have devolved power and a Parliament. That referendum was passed with a clear majority.
Democratic process #2
The Scottish electorate elected the SNP.
Democratic process #3
The SNP-controlled Scottish Parliament passed a referendum bill.
Democratic process #4
Here we are at the referendum.
Attempting to revoke that lot would be a clear violation of democratic process, of the principles of self-determination, and unacceptable tyranny.The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostSo how is it legally binding at all? Parliament could just pass a law saying "just kidding". Or just not recognize it. I mean, I can see a number of maneuvers to make that work--their refusal to accept the national debt, for instance.Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostIf they secede they're out of NATO and the EU, and I doubt any countries with separatist movements (paging Spain) are going to let them in.
some informations say that they would be allowed to immediately enter EU membership upon independency as if they had always been member
other information say that they have to apply for membership like a totally new nation (which then may be blocked by the current members).Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"
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