Israeli Police Beat 15 year old American Citizen

[Sava]

Why does it have to be one or the other? Are you unable to have enough hate for both?

I can't respond to points I didn't make.

[Sava]

Really?

Yes. Putting military assets in a highly populated area is morally wrong.

HaKirya, or The Kirya (Hebrew: הַקִּרְיָה, lit. The Campus), is an area in central Tel Aviv, containing the Tel-Aviv District government center and the major Israel Defense Forces base,

[rah]

The fact that you could find it on a map listed as a military installation is considerably different. Now if you were looking at a map and that location was noted as a hospital, then we'd be talking about the same thing.

[Sava]

The fact that you could find it on a map listed as a military installation is considerably different.

Yes. Maps automatically make something "not military".

[rah]

No, it makes it that they're not hiding it. And I would consider it a legitimate target, and if it was being shot at and there was collateral damage o civilians next door I would understand it. (not like it but what the heck it's war)

Putting missiles in a hospital is totally different. But then you shouldn't whine when the hospital is attacked since it's a legitimate target once it's been used as one.

Especially if you put them there to take advantage of the civilian casualties.

To me that is just wrong.

[Dauphin]

No, it makes it that they're not hiding it. And I would consider it a legitimate target, and if it was being shot at and there was collateral damage o civilians next door I would understand it. (not like it but what the heck it's war)

Putting missiles in a hospital is totally different. But then you shouldn't whine when the hospital is attacked since it's a legitimate target once it's been used as one.

Especially if you put them there to take advantage of the civilian casualties.

To me that is just wrong.

It doesn't make it a legitimate target - unless the people running the hospital and the patients are complicit. (I don't know, were they?)

If some suicide bomber shoots up a public building, I don't think it makes the building a valid target for a missile attack.

[rah]

If Hamas puts missiles in a hospital. They have to take ownership of any casualties. It's that simple.
Showing pictures of dead children (especially if they are from a different country) is wrong.
And anyone that supports that (regardless of justification) is just wrong.

[ColdWizard]

28 casualties from rockets since 2001.

Now you don't even know what words mean.

[Dauphin]

If Hamas puts missiles in a hospital. They have to take ownership of any casualties. It's that simple.

Agreed, what I don't agree with is that the standalone fact (that the building has been used to store or fire a weapon) automatically and entirely absolves the persons destroying the building to destroy the weapons from blame for civilian deaths.

[rah]

Oh there's plenty of blame to go around. Neither side has the moral high ground here.
Neither side is entirely absolved. But too many people here thinks only one side is to blame.

[DinoDoc]

Yes. Putting military assets in a highly populated area is morally wrong.

False equivalence.

[N35t0r]

Oh there's plenty of blame to go around. Neither side has the moral high ground here.
Neither side is entirely absolved. But too many people here thinks only one side is to blame.

To blame? Hamas wants the conflict to continue, so they can't really be blamed for it?

[Fake Boris]

DD's link states that a rocket was fired from a parking lot "next to the hospital" which doesn't make the hospital a valid "target".

It should be clear that there's a difference between urban warfare and using people as human shields (as in tying them up to military assets as hostages). Remember, if the Gaza strip were a city in the US, it would be the most densely populated.

[Fake Boris]

If Israel wants Palestinians to fire rockets from unpopulated areas, they're more than welcome to give them back some land.

[The Mad Monk]

Hamas said to kill over 30 suspected collaborators with Israel
Local spies have helped Israeli aircraft locate and destroy Hamas homes, Gaza security sources tell Palestinian news agency
By Elhanan Miller July 28, 2014, 5:16 pm

Hamas has executed more than 30 suspected collaborators in the Gaza Strip over the past few days, a Palestinian news agency reported on Monday.

Unnamed Palestinian security sources in Gaza told Palestine Press News Agency that Hamas has managed to apprehend dozens of suspected spies in the northern neighborhood of Shejaiya — which saw heavy fighting with the IDF last week — and summarily executed them following a short investigation. The sources said that many of the suspects were caught with weapons, telephones, and SIM cards from the Israeli cell provider Orange.

Hamas has undertaken numerous anti-collaboration campaigns in the Gaza Strip over the past years, offering amnesty to repentant Israeli spies. In May, the Hamas government executed two condemned collaborators for divulging information which Israel used to kill two Palestinians.

In November 2012, Hamas men on motorcycles were filmed dragging bodies of accused collaborators through the streets of Gaza.

Human Rights Watch and other watchdogs have condemned the summary execution of collaborators in Gaza.

Civilians in Gaza spoke to Palestinian Press of “suspicious men” attacking Hamas operatives in Shejaiya and indicating the homes of Hamas members to be struck by Israeli artillery or aircraft.

Last week, the Palestinian daily Al-Quds reported that collaborators in Gaza were using “special signals” to communicate with Israeli aircraft. They were firing tracer bullets near homes that were subsequently targeted by the Israeli Air Force.

Hamas’s Interior Ministry reported on July 15 that in the midst of Operation Protective Edge, the Internal Security Agency managed to thwart a number of subversive attacks aimed at “our people and our resistance.”

Ministry spokesman Iyad Al-Bozom threatened on his Facebook page that “any betrayal or cowardly act against our people” would lead to “the harshest punishment under Palestinian law.”

“The eyes of of the Internal Security Agency are dispersed throughout the Gaza Strip to maintain security and protect the home front,” Al-Bozom wrote.

Meanwhile, Fatah in the Gaza Strip condemned Hamas on Monday for placing a number of Fatah members under house arrest across the Gaza Strip since the start of Operation Protective Edge.

According to the PA’s official WAFA news agency, Fatah appealed to Hamas to stop arresting its members, and was told that the detentions were carried out by individuals and were not official Hamas policy. But the house arrests continued.

Fatah called on Hamas in a communique to stop harassing its members in Gaza, saying “at the moment what we need most is national solidarity to strengthen the home front.”

Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip in a bloody coup in June 2007, killing or banishing most of Fatah’s members in the Strip.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-said-to-kill-over-30-suspected-collaborators-with-israel/

*sniff, sniff*

Do I smell a witch hunt?

Why yes, I think I do!