Israeli Police Beat 15 year old American Citizen

[Uncle Sparky]

I guess the Palestinians should keep their weapons at their army bases, the bases Israel, the US, Canada, and bits of Europe forbid them to have. I don't see the contradiction, do you?

[The Mad Monk]

DP

[The Mad Monk]

I can see the connection between not wanting a "spectacular operation" and not gettin' blowed up.

They are not allowed bases because they pull **** like this, not the other way around.

[C0ckney]

[The Mad Monk]

Is it funny because the Hamas leadership built nice deep bunkers for themselves, but not so much as a single bomb shelter for their own people?

Or is it funny because Israel pulled out after it destroyed all the tunnels, like it said it would do, and Hamas claimed that as a victory?

[The Mad Monk]

You know, 1 out of every 1,000 Gazans were killed, and nearly 1 out of every 100 were wounded. That's not a laughing matter.

[C0ckney]

You know, 1 out of every 1,000 Gazans were killed, and nearly 1 out of every 100 were wounded. That's not a laughing matter.

now you're concerned about this. the time for concern was when israel was dropping the bombs, you know actually causing the the deaths and injuries, that you claim to be concerned about, and which of course you defended and acted as an apologist for (poorly, admittedly - but not for want of trying), throughout their bombing campaign. your hypocrisy stinks to high heaven.

[C0ckney]

Is it funny

your 'argument' is. it's built on false assumptions and contradictions, which i'm not going to waste my time deconstructing.

[The Mad Monk]

I've always been concerned about that. It's tragic. But the fate of the Yazidis on Mount Sinjar is tragic too, and they're not shooting rockets.

Nations have the right to defend themselves against aggression, and hamas is clearly the aggressor here. No amount of sophistry on your part will change that.

[C0ckney]

I've always been concerned about that. It's tragic.

given your uncritical support of those causing the civilian deaths, that rings very hollow.

Nations have the right to defend themselves against aggression

indeed. gaza has been under siege since 2006. the citizens of gaza have a right to defend themselves from israeli aggression. i'm glad you agree.

and hamas is clearly the aggressor here. No amount of sophistry on your part will change that.

the only sophist here is you. this argument is very dishonest, because it assumes that somehow the debate is 'but they started it!' this is an endless debate of course "they launched rockets, but they launched a campaign of mass arrests and killed 5 people, but 3 teenagers were killed, but..." and so on. it is not. but every time someone explains this to you, you refuse to engage and go back to this same old rubbish.

[Dauphin]

from your link.



you never fail.

It is also worth noting that the Israeli military manual linked also states that "A reverse situation may also occur in which an originally military objective becomes a civilian object, as for instance, a large military base that is converted to a collection point for the wounded, and is thus rendered immune to attack". Sounds like a hospital maybe?

That is an aside, the issue is more about proportionality - the level of military effectiveness vs the number of civilian casualties that would ensue from eliminating such activity.

[Dinner]

from your link.



you never fail.

Ok, either you're really stupid or you are just deliberately lying but this is ducking sad how far you will go to avoid admiring the obvious. It lists virtually every major country's policies and they all say you are completely wrong.

[C0ckney]

you said:

You're just plain wrong. Protected places which are used for military purposes lose all protection under the Geneva and Hague Conventions. Don't believe me? Fine. What about the International Red Cross?

not a single thing in that link you posted contained any reference to that.

this is ducking sad how far you will go to avoid admiring the obvious.

i can just see it now, why the west lost the battle for hearts and minds. you were meant to produce some propaganda telling the iraqis about how america was going to bring peace and prosperity. instead you gave them a link to one of your 'arabs are goat ****ing savages' rants filled with appalling spelling mistakes.

[DinoDoc]

This is incredibly bad ass if true: Hackers Blasted AC/DC on Iranian Computers While Destroying Their Nuclear Program

[Sava]

Israel Flagged as Top Spy Threat to U.S. in New Snowden/NSA Document

Israel was singled out in 2007 as a top espionage threat against the U.S. government, including its intelligence services, in a newly published National Security Agency (NSA) document obtained by fugitive leaker Edward Snowden, according to a news report Monday.

The document also identified Israel, along with North Korea, Cuba and India, as a “leading threat” to the infrastructure of U.S. financial and banking institutions.

The threats were listed in the NSA’s 2007 Strategic Mission List, according to the document obtained by journalist/activist Glenn Greenwald, a founding editor of The Intercept, an online magazine that has a close relationship with Snowden, a former NSA and CIA contractor who fled the U.S. with thousands of top-secret documents last year.


In this new document, Israel was identified by the NSA as a security threat in several areas, including “the threat of development of weapons of mass destruction” and “delivery methods (particularly ballistic and nuclear-capable cruise missiles).” The NSA also flagged Israel’s “WMD and missile proliferation activities” and “cruise missiles” as threats.

In a section of the document headed “Foreign Intelligence, Counterintelligence; Denial & Deception Activities: Countering Foreign Intelligence Threats,” Israel was listed as a leading perpetrator of “espionage/intelligence collection operations and manipulation/influence operations…against U.S. government, military, science & technology and Intelligence Community” organs.

The term “manipulation/influence operations” refers to covert attempts by Israel to sway U.S. public opinion in its favor. In this, Israel has dubious company, according to the NSA: Other leading threats were listed as China, Russia, Cuba, Iran, Pakistan, North Korea, France, Venezuela and South Korea.

Israel has similar company in threats against U.S. infrastructure, according to the NSA document. Under a section headed “Mastering Cyberspace and Preventing an Attack on U.S. Critical Information Systems,” Israel, India, North Korea and Cuba are identified as “FIS [financial/banking system] threats.” Israel also appears on the list of countries believed by the NSA to be “enabling” electronic warfare “producers/proliferators.”

The new document again underscores the schizoid relationship between the U.S. and Israel, which cooperate closely in military and intelligence operations but also aggressively spy on each other. A previously released Snowden document said that “one of NSA’s biggest threats is actually from friendly intelligence services, like Israel.” Another revealed that a U.S. National Intelligence Estimate ranked Israel as “the third most aggressive intelligence service against the U.S.,” behind only China and Russia.

In a series of articles last May, Newsweek reported that “Israel has been caught carrying out aggressive espionage operations against American targets for decades,” an allegation vociferously denied by Israeli officials, who insisted that Jerusalem stopped spying on the U.S. after the late 1980s arrest and conviction of its secret agent Jonathan Pollard, a U.S. Naval Intelligence analyst. Over the weekend, the German magazine Der Spiegel reported that Israel eavesdropped on Secretary of State John Kerry’s cellphone conversations during Middle East peace talks in 2013. (According to a July 20, 2014, piece in The New Republic, “The Kerry team spoke more carefully over cell phones, believing the Israelis might be listening.”)

The State Department had no comment on the Der Spiegel allegations.

Washington’s protective relationship toward Israel is heavily influenced by its close cooperation in intelligence operations against common Middle Eastern threats, such as Iran, Syria, terrorist groups and the Palestinians.

Citing NSA documents, Greenwald’s piece in The Intercept says, “The relationship has, on at least one occasion, entailed the covert payment of a large amount of cash to Israeli operatives.” The NSA and its British counterpart also “rely on U.S.-supported Arab regimes, including the Jordanian monarchy and even the Palestinian Authority Security Forces, to provide vital spying services regarding Palestinian targets.

“Over the last decade,” Greenwald added, “the NSA has significantly increased the surveillance assistance it provides to its Israeli counterpart, the Israeli SIGINT National Unit (ISNU; also known as Unit 8200), including data used to monitor and target Palestinians. In many cases, the NSA and ISNU work cooperatively with the British and Canadian spy agencies, the GCHQ and CSEC.”

http://www.newsweek.com/israel-flagged-top-spy-threat-us-new-snowdennsa-document-262991?piano_d=1

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