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  • #61
    Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
    Fire fighting services aren't a right either. Rights are legal protections from the government. Nothing else.
    What about the thirteenth amendment?
    One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Felch View Post
      Which, quite frankly, makes about a jillion times more sense. If health care is a right, then the government should provide it.
      In the end, it's mostly about who pays - corporate taxes or otherwise.

      But yes, if the government manages the health network, it saves everyone a lot of paperwork.
      In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
        Fire fighting services aren't a right either. Rights are legal protections from the government. Nothing else.
        Fair enough. Replace the word "right" with "responsibility of the government."
        John Brown did nothing wrong.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
          How is demanding your boss pay for abortifacients an issue of worker's rights?

          Because your politicians decided against single payer and kept on with the existing model of employee benefits for most of the population. If access to healthcare is a right (I feel it is) then not allowing the employer to cherry pick on the mandated plan for religious reasons is cricket.

          The employees right to healthcare trumps the employers religious sensibilities.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
            I don't see it in the constitution. However, I do see the 2nd Amendment in the constitution.
            Look up "shall have all powers necessary and proper". Stupid foreigner.
            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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            • #66
              The fact more people don't understand this seems to be a barrier to rational discussion:
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              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #67
                Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
                If access to healthcare is a right (I feel it is)
                When did rights held by the people become services to be extracted from others?
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                  When did rights held by the people become services to be extracted from others?
                  About the same time as taxes were invented?
                  One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Dauphin View Post
                    About the same time as taxes were invented?
                    What government office do I go to in order to collect my free speech rights? How about my religious rights?
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #70
                      Or your right to an attorney?
                      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Dauphin View Post
                        Or your right to an attorney?
                        You get what you pay for in that case.
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #72
                          Maybe, but it's still demonstrating you are wrong.
                          One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Dauphin View Post
                            Or your right to an attorney?
                            Part and parcel of your right to a fair and speedy trial. Again, it's a protection from government that is not extended to Civil suits.
                            No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                            • #74
                              It is different though, as it is a positive obligation.
                              One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                              • #75
                                Not really. It is recognition that the common citizen has no chance without proper council.
                                No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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