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  • #31
    true.
    in order to understand what happened in "crisis ground zero" let's say there was tons of fearmongering by the ruling class and their media. staying in the euro means they get to keep their priviliges.
    so by their systemic media, leaving the euro would be something like the destruction of pompiiee.
    just saying that so you understand the climate where the public discussion took place in.

    apart from that there have been 3 or 4 years of organized dismantling of social welfare in the health system in particular and of course the unemployment level skyrocketed. and employees rights have been seriously curtailed.

    in the core of it, IMHO, lay two things: first, that the systemic media propaganda about the destruction of the country if it leaves the euro has soaked public awareness (but this is counteracted by everyday reality which shows that the country is suffering hugely as it is)
    and second (and that is the most important thing IMO) that they have managed to persuade some people that they are incapable of ruling themselves, so to say, failry, justly, with transparence and accountability.

    these two things are heaven sent for the ruling class.
    there is a third completely honest I think feeling: that is that the average citizen really, really doesn't want to bare in his shoulders a possible dissolution of the eurozone and being himself to blame. (as he sees it)
    many greeks being unsufferably self centered and self important are very pro-european too, they really do feel that's their "natural family" (with them of course being slightly better than everyone else).

    all these are theoretical.
    the pendulum lies on two extremes IMO: on on hand a belief that staying in the eurozone is the best thing greece can do, and on the other hand it's everyday reality. these two will decide the future.
    syriza has said that the euro is not fetische. the prime concern is the welfare of the people.

    in the coming euroelections it will gain lots of support. but on the same time, there is a concerted effort for various tax lessening moves and other stuff so the populace becomes temporarily pacified untill the euroelections pass and then the troika can return with even more impoveriching measures.
    time will show, but it is not bonding well for the ruling class party.
    Last edited by Bereta_Eder; May 3, 2014, 08:20.

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    • #32
      I've never seen someone write so much but say so little.
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Sava View Post
        I've never seen someone write so much but say so little.
        he's mostly correct (in my opinion), and it's important to hear about a situation from those living through it.
        "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

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        • #34
          At least you guys share writing styles. I wonder if punctuation and grammar are a conspiracy imposed on us by the ruling class.
          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Sava View Post
            But corporations are making insane profits... so it's worth it.
            commie
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • #36
              chegitz sighting
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #37
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • #38
                  Hi Che.
                  Indifference is Bliss

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                  • #39
                    Howdy, N35. How's it's going?
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • #40
                      I'm getting married in October! And I moved from the middle of the city to having a view of the river, so I can't complain.

                      Also, new job.
                      Indifference is Bliss

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                      • #41
                        w00t!
                        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                        • #42
                          I still believe that Cockney's assertion is very correct.
                          A big obstacle of the EU is a veritable distancing of the population from the decision making centers.
                          That's why the moto for the euroelections (on a paneuropean level) is "engange, influence, change" or something like that.
                          I accept bad governance, corruption (but I attack it ruthlessly when it is used as a pretext to erode the social state) and all and I also fully endorse the view that says that the inane austerity policy of merkel is a relic of their past where hyper inflation wreacked havoc on the country.
                          As far as I am concerned the EU's demise is always around the corner and it will not be pinned on Greece. Unless there is change of course, which I think can easily come.
                          Also I have witnessed how difficult it is for the EU to be dismantled. Changing it is much easier (and frankly makes more sense). Otherwise it will fail, I have no illusions about that.
                          Last edited by Bereta_Eder; May 10, 2014, 08:25.

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                          • #43
                            Whatever consensus you eurocoms come up with... I'll support.

                            unless it involves trying to duck tape me to a tree... then you can **** yourselves
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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                            • #44
                              Them ****ing themselves would miss the point of duct taping you to a tree....
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Buster's Uncle View Post
                                duck taping
                                fixed
                                To us, it is the BEAST.

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