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So basically, a man was convicted, sentenced, and released on bail. Then they forgot to tell him to report to prison.

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  • #46
    jail is also for prevention, this guy did it for us
    the victim says let him go, I dont see reason to put him in a cage

    on a side note, I read a theory claiming the death penalty is making humans more peaceful

    we banish or kill the worst among us and we become less violent

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
      on a side note, I read a theory claiming the death penalty is making humans more peaceful

      we banish or kill the worst among us and we become less violent
      Yet the countries with the death penalty seem to also be some of the most violent.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by rah View Post
        I'm a bit torn on this one.
        The man was sentenced and should have served his punishment.
        But since the optimal outcome from incarceration should be rehabilitation this outcome has already been met and probably more successfully than if he had served the time.


        While I wouldn't want to accept this solution in every instance I think justice on this one is best served by claiming time served and commuting the rest of his sentence.
        Precisely my thoughts on the matter. Let the man go; he's obviously done well with his life after almost screwing it up royally.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
          The state saves a whole lot of money by letting him walk, and it seems clear that he is rehabilitated. I say re-sentence him to a bunch of community service, perhaps talking to young felons and such. So at least they get some semblance of their pound of flesh.

          This would also keep the state out of the position of punishing his wife and children. Instead, the state of Missouri gets some free service time and good PR despite their bureaucratic incompetence, plus they don't have to pay his room and board for several years.
          this seems like a sensible approach. the state made a mistake and the guy went and built a decent life for himself and his family. no one's interests are served by destroying all that.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
            jail is also for prevention, this guy did it for us
            the victim says let him go, I dont see reason to put him in a cage

            on a side note, I read a theory claiming the death penalty is making humans more peaceful

            we banish or kill the worst among us and we become less violent
            No, it just means we're getting rid of all the people who are too poor to afford good defense lawyers. If we ramp up the death penalty, eventually we'll all be rich!
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            • #51
              Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
              this seems like a sensible approach. the state made a mistake and the guy went and built a decent life for himself and his family. no one's interests are served by destroying all that.
              You mean except for the fact that it sends a message to all the other would-criminals "run away for a decade and keep your nose clean, you'll be home free!"

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              • #52
                Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                You mean except for the fact that it sends a message to all the other would-criminals "run away for a decade and keep your nose clean, you'll be home free!"
                Except that he didn't run away.

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                • #53
                  I can't believe he doesn't see the difference.
                  It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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                  • #54
                    I'm not saying he deserves to be punished (I don't have an opinion really) but let's not claim that nobody loses. Legalism is important and the deterrent value of the justice system is much more crucial than rehabilitation or retribution.

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                    • #55
                      Do you honestly believe that the deterrence value has been lessened because this one person slipped through the cracks?
                      Gee, It's safe to commit a crime because there is a one in 10,000 chance that they'll forget to tell me to report to jail.
                      It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                      RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                      • #56
                        Nothing less than a public execution or criminals will no longer respect the rule of law.
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                          You mean except for the fact that it sends a message to all the other would-criminals "run away for a decade and keep your nose clean, you'll be home free!"
                          2/10. See me after class.

                          Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                          I'm not saying he deserves to be punished (I don't have an opinion really) but let's not claim that nobody loses. Legalism is important and the deterrent value of the justice system is much more crucial than rehabilitation or retribution.
                          it is opinions like this that make our legal system terrible. That, and the war on drugs, but that's a different discussion.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by AAAAAAAAH! View Post
                            It's clear from his conduct after the conviction that robbing someone with a BB gun was just youthful indiscretion... why lock him away for 13 years?
                            He was ~23 at the time. I'm pretty sure you stop being able to claim youthful indiscretion wrt violent felonies when you hit 21 at the very latest.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by rah View Post
                              Do you honestly believe that the deterrence value has been lessened because this one person slipped through the cracks?
                              Gee, It's safe to commit a crime because there is a one in 10,000 chance that they'll forget to tell me to report to jail.
                              I think you're over estimating the odds that they forget.
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                              • #60
                                And I thought I was just making a conservative estimate.
                                It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                                RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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