Decisive Battles

[Sava]

That's the answer I was looking for. Thanks Albie.

[Sava]

You guys get so invested in the dumbest of arguments.

[MrFun]

Gettysburg and Vicksburg

[Hauldren Collider]

Gettysburg and Vicksburg

I don't agree with that at all. The North was always in the advantage and those battles didn't change that. What was really decisive in the civil war was the aftermath of the Battle of Sharpsburg aka Antietam, because McClellan's incredible cowardice made the war drag on another three years.

McLellan

[PLATO]

You guys get so invested in the dumbest of arguments.

Ain't it the truth? Why else come to Poly though??

Now...go be a good boy and play a game.

[Sava]

Ain't it the truth? Why else come to Poly though??

Now...go be a good boy and play a game.

The Poly forum game.

[molly bloom]

I don't know how that helps your case. The day after the battle not everyone will be muslim.

This is certainly true, but by cunningly offering tax breaks to converts and requiring that children of mixed marriages be brought up Muslim and by emancipating their children by slaves and concubines, Muslims made a lot more Muslims in places such as Egypt and Visigothic Spain.

Even after Tours, Muslims could still operate from the south of France and Burgundy had the unfortunate distinction of being sacked by Muslims, Magyars and Vikings.


People used to erroneously surmise that the landscape or weather stopped a further Muslim advance- yet the Berber warriors who overran Visigothic Spain were quite at home in cold, wet weather.

'Tours' is one of Colvin's decisive battles, by the by. And a popular 'What If' too.

[Sava]

WELL LETS GET THIS BABY UP TO 88 MILES PER HOUR AND FIND OUT HUH

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

Time to start a thread, "Divisive Battles", if only we could get Kid and Ben to argue politics there...

[molly bloom]

Time to start a thread, "Divisive Battles", if only we could get Kid and Ben to argue politics there...

Locate the thread on one of Saturn's moons. Please.

[molly bloom]

These defeats on the frontiers were not as damaging to Umayyad expansion as the widespread rebellion of the late 740's sparked by Abu Muslim. In 750, the Umayyad's were defeated and superseded by the Persianized Abbasids. The remnants of the Umayyad's found their way to Spain, permanently fracturing the Islamic ummah.

In 751 the Chinese Tang were defeated by the armie sof Islam at the Battle of the River Talas. What stopped further expansion in Europe is more likely the Berber revolt.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

Never underestimate the power of Chinese 'tang...

[100% Wolf]

If the Charles Martel had lost at Tours, France today would be as Islamic as Spain.

Yes. Just as Hungarians practice the same religion as Mongolia because the Mongols successfully raided and laid waste to the Kingdom of Hungary!!!!!

[Alexander's Horse]

Marathon and Salamis are my favorites.

[Dauphin]

Chocolate and meat.