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    What's the difference between satire news nowadays, and actual news? Because some of the stupid shit some politicians are saying these days is so unreal, but they actually said these things.

    Jindal’s ‘healthcare for handshakes’ model
    03/07/14 09:56 AM

    By Steve Benen

    Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal speaks in Orlando, Fla. on Aug. 30, 2013.
    About four years ago in Nevada, Sue Lowden appeared to be well on her way to becoming a U.S. senator. The wealthy Republican ran into a little trouble, though, about a month after the Affordable Care Act was signed into law.

    Lowden argued that health care reform wasn’t altogether necessary because she remembered, as a young person, when families would “barter” and “haggle” with medical professionals. In one especially problematic comment, the Senate hopeful said, “You know, before we all started having health care, in the olden days, our grandparents, they would bring a chicken to the doctor.”

    Her candidacy collapsed soon after.

    I thought of Lowden yesterday after seeing Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) at CPAC.
    In a mid-day address to the Conservative Political Action Conference, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal fondly recalled how his own birth was paid for in a pre-Obamacare era.

    “My dad shook hands with the doctor,” said Jindal. “And he said to that doctor, ‘I’m going to pay you in full. I’m going to pay you every month as much as I can’ … And that’s exactly what they did.” Jindal added, “No contracts. No paperwork. No government program. Just two guys in a hospital in Baton Rouge, shaking hands.”
    Jindal presumably knows a little something about health care systems – he was a prominent official in the Bush/Cheney Department of Health and Human Services – which makes it all the more curious that he sees “healthcare for handshakes” as a viable model.

    It’s not. If a struggling family has high medical bills, it doesn’t have the option of telling a hospital, “I’ll pay as much as I can every month and you’ll just have to be satisfied with that. Let’s shake on it.” Medical professionals and facilities have their own bills to pay, and well-meaning handshakes won’t keep the doors open. Medical care, tests, equipment, exams, and treatments save lives every day, but they’re not free. Sometimes “paperwork” and “programs” are necessary to keep the system functioning for all involved.

    If Jindal doesn’t understand that, shouldn’t he?

    Perhaps even more offensive were these remarks from the same speech.
    Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) on Thursday evoked half-century-old images of school segregation, accusing Attorney General Eric Holder of attempting to “stand in the schoolhouse door” to stop minority and low-income students from attending charter schools.

    “We’ve got Eric Holder and the Department of Justice trying to stand in the schoolhouse door to prevent minority kids, low-income kids, kids who haven’t had access to a great education, the chance to go to better schools,” Jindal said.

    The “Stand in the Schoolhouse Door” took place in 1963, when pro-segregation Alabama Gov. George Wallace stood at the door of the University of Alabama to prevent two black students from attending class.
    As a rule, there are some historical comparisons that should be broached carefully. Those who make comparisons to Nazis and slavery, for example, are, as a rule, asking for trouble.

    But so too is a far-right Southern governor comparing an African-American president and an African-American attorney general to George Wallace. The Obama administration doesn’t support giving public funds to unaccountable private schools through voucher systems; Jindal disagrees. It’s a subject worthy of debate.

    The governor is pushing his luck, though, when he suggests he’s the real civil-rights champion, not those progressive Democrats. To think that private academies should rely on private funds does not, in our version of reality, make you a segregationist. For Jindal to even make the comparison is truly ridiculous.

    Indeed, the Louisiana governor wants public funds to go to struggling families for education, but he’s a fierce opponent of directing public funds to struggling families for health care.

    By his reasoning, is Jindal a modern-day segregationist, standing in the hospital door?
    Anyway, vote.
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    with a chicken
    33.33%
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    go bankrupt
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    with a banana
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    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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    That's about the most ****ed up piece of liberal crap I've ever read. It makes no valid point at all. Thanks for wasting my time.
    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
    - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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    • #3
      invalid poll (correct answer is dollars, dip****)

      or I suppose whatever the local currency is

      Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
      That's about the most ****ed up piece of liberal crap I've ever read. It makes no valid point at all. Thanks for wasting my time.
      Much like your posting

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      • #4
        Health care is already socialism. You pay for everyone else by way of premiums and high charges. The difference between this system and a single payer? It costs a lot more because corporations need "profit". They don't make health care better. They don't improve it in any way. They, for all intents and purposes, skim money off the top... a lot of it.

        Also, they aren't the government. So you don't get to vote for them. There is no accountability.
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
          invalid poll (correct answer is dollars, dip****)

          or I suppose whatever the local currency is


          Much like your posting
          Too bad Jindal and the other quoted Republican did not mention the idea of paying with money.
          A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
            Much like your posting
            This is a pretty pointless post here, especially if you think it's ok to criticise the president no matter what color he is.
            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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            • #7
              I really don't have problems with american politicians that have seriously weird wiews - it's the immensly stupid yanks that wote for these ignorant politcians that are the real problem.
              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

              Steven Weinberg

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MrFun View Post
                Jindal
                I hope he's the republican nominee in 2016

                he'd be the first pre-pubescent president

                that's more significant than being a woman
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MrFun View Post
                  Too bad Jindal and the other quoted Republican did not mention the idea of paying with money.
                  Too bad he did.
                  I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                  - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                  • #10
                    What doctor wouldn't want to be paid with a delicious chicken?
                    [Pets] can't be reasoned with when their instincts kick in and they remember that they're animals. Especially dogs which are genetically 100% wolves. - Al B. Sure!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MrFun View Post
                      Too bad Jindal and the other quoted Republican did not mention the idea of paying with money.
                      He did right here:

                      "And he said to that doctor, ‘I’m going to pay you in full. I’m going to pay you every month as much as I can’ … And that’s exactly what they did.” Jindal added, “No contracts. No paperwork. No government program. Just two guys in a hospital in Baton Rouge, shaking hands.”
                      I'm wondering how the author (and, apparently, you) conflated a homespun homily for the folks down home with a serious policy proposal.
                      No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                      • #12
                        It's Rachel Maddow. Beyond the smug and snark, there are wildly inaccurate assumptions about the other side.
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                        • #13
                          Oh yeah, watched her show a short bit on MSNBC. Terrifying!
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                          • #14
                            Bobby Jindal is just playing the hits that his audience demands. He's actually a pretty bright guy, but has gotten out of his depth because he never figured out how to stick to his talking points in a way that doesn't overtly offend people. Other CPAC vets are much more fluid with their use of "old timey" rhetoric to make a point. Jindal just doesn't ring true, which has been obvious ever since his ill-fated night as the official GOP responder to the State of the Union.
                            Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
                              He did right here:



                              I'm wondering how the author (and, apparently, you) conflated a homespun homily for the folks down home with a serious policy proposal.
                              So in discussing this serious policy issue, why bother with telling an irrelevant, homespun homily?
                              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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