Obama: 1in 5 women have been raped in the US

[Elok]

their Christ (who was very much the docile, quiet, and inoffensive guy himself, according to the sacred Christian texts I have seen)

Well, if you haven't read the Gospels you should just say so. I think your CliffsNotes version left out crucial plot points: the man spent most of his ministry railing against the religious authorities of his day, annoying them so much that they arrested him on trumped-up charges and put him to death in the most gruesome manner they knew.

[giblets]

Jesus was none of those things. Where do you get your information. Clearly not from the Bible.

Read the Bible

[DinoDoc]

I have no idea what this means. I presume it means something to the religiously initiated of your sect. In any case, please don't quote me and then throw out these kinds of non sequiturs. The point to which you responded has nothing to do with NTs (real or imagined).

You were referring to the OT (Old Testament to the old people among us who are unable to understand relevant abbreviations ) as pre-Christian stuff. I was reminding you that there's no sect that rejects the authority of that section of the Bible. Before I forget, I should mention (purely out of compassion) that NT means New Testament in this context.

[grumbler]

Well, if you haven't read the Gospels you should just say so. I think your CliffsNotes version left out crucial plot points: the man spent most of his ministry railing against the religious authorities of his day, annoying them so much that they arrested him on trumped-up charges and put him to death in the most gruesome manner they knew.

Once we drop the tabloid-style rewrite of what the Gospels had to say, it turns out that the man argued for forgiveness of sins, poverty, charity, and the eschewing of violence. In the bible story, he was arrested and executed on trumped-up charges, not on accurate charges. They had to resort to trumped-up charges because he was so "docile, quiet, and inoffensive" that no real charges would have stuck.

[grumbler]

You were referring to the OT (Old Testament to the old people among us who are unable to understand relevant abbreviations ) as pre-Christian stuff. I was reminding you that there's no sect that rejects the authority of that section of the Bible. Before I forget, I should mention (purely out of compassion) that NT means New Testament in this context.

Yes, the Old Testament predates Christianity. That is precisely my point. What that has to do with the New Testament is still not clear.

If you are arguing that the OT still applies to Christians, I'd dispute that. Christians seem to treat the OT as a smorgasbord, calling certain sections of it valid when it suits their purposes, and invalid when it doesn't suit their purposes. I don't think that any of them, however, accept as valid the portions (like that Leviticus quote) that directly contradict what Jesus is supposed to have said.

[Elok]

The relationship between the OT and NT is complicated and varies widely from Church to Church. There is good Biblical precedent, largely rooted in Acts and Paul's epistles, for invalidating most of the Law, but not the entire OT. For example, the Council of Jerusalem decided that fornication of all kinds is still out, along with eating blood and idolatry. It's not just picking and choosing, there are very complex schools of exegesis, and you're being glib.

It is very convenient to atheists that we Xians "not judge," i.e. be doormats. If we stand up for any principle at all, we can be called hypocrites (unless we use the blandest and most timid language possible); if we do not, we can be ignored.

[ZEE]

Elok is a nerd.

[Kidlicious]

We are the descendants of Abraham

[kentonio]

We are the defendants of Abraham

You are on trial?

[Kidlicious]

Yes

[giblets]

It is very convenient to atheists that we Xians "not judge," i.e. be doormats. If we stand up for any principle at all, we can be called hypocrites (unless we use the blandest and most timid language possible); if we do not, we can be ignored.

I guess you'll just have to sever all worldly ties

[ricketyclik]

We are the descendants of Abraham

You, the Jews, the Muslims, and the Baha'i.

[Elok]

What, and live in self-contained, isolated communities, trusting that a state we're not invested in will have our best interests in mind? That worked out great for the Jews.

Xpost

[Kidlicious]

You, the Jews, the Muslims, and the Baha'i.

Well according to the apostle only those who live by faith in Jesus Christ. The Jews maybe an exception, but I'm not opening that.

[Kidlicious]

Actually Muslims are also descendants of Abraham. I don't know anything about that other one.

Edit: And Jews obviously