Presidential Address

[Kidlicious]

The whole "Obama is authoritarian" thing is hilarious. I thought he was a weak liberal who wants to surrender America... and apologize for America... and blah blah blah

get a ****ing clue you morons

Obama is tougher on young black men than he is on terrorists.

[Guynemer]

Mon Dieu.

[kentonio]

Obama is tougher on young black men than he is on terrorists.

That must be why he twice won almost all the black vote, and why Bin Laden was killed under his orders.

[Kidlicious]

That must be why he twice won almost all the black vote, and why Bin Laden was killed under his orders.

You, like most black men, are victims of the liberal press. How much do we hear about the Travon Martin case compared to how much we hear about Obama's fight against legal reforms that would make the system fair for black men?

[dannubis]

I even forgot my name... *drool*

[Sir Og]

That ass saved this thread

[MrFun]

No, he's simply defending the mass surveillance of everyone, everywhere. Without warrant. That's you too, Sava, and all other Mercans.

Oh noooos! Data collection! That's right up there with other dictatorship activities; like genocide, political refugees/prisoners, and gulag camps.

[Al B. Sure!]

Oh noooos! Data collection! That's right up there with other dictatorship activities; like genocide, political refugees/prisoners, and gulag camps.

Would you be so nonchalant if President Bush were doing it?

[MrFun]

Would you be so nonchalant if President Bush were doing it?

Here's the deal, Alby. Conservatives were not concerned about the same activities when George W. did these things, and NOW conservatives are all so-concerned??

[Al B. Sure!]

Here's the deal, Alby. Conservatives were not concerned about the same activities when George W. did these things, and NOW conservatives are all so-concerned??

Liberals were concerned about the same activities when George W. did these things and NOW liberals don't give a ****??

[Ban Kenobi]

I would give a **** but if both parties do the same things there's not much I can do about it.

[molly bloom]

Would you be so nonchalant if President Bush were doing it?

Which modern American governments haven't collected 'data' on presumed/assumed subversives ? They've been doing it since at least the time of Emma Goldman.

[PLATO]

"presumed/assumed subversives" ... oh you mean collecting data about when I call my wife to find out whats for dinner?

Seriously, the notion that people only care about these activities by government when their particular party is in power is ludicrous. I, for one, have been railing on about the Patriot Act since it was originally passed.

The simple fact of the matter is that technology is making it possible to monitor nearly all public and many private activities of people. This is not good...period.

[molly bloom]

"presumed/assumed subversives" ... oh you mean collecting data about when I call my wife to find out whats for dinner?

Seriously, the notion that people only care about these activities by government when their particular party is in power is ludicrous. I, for one, have been railing on about the Patriot Act since it was originally passed.

The simple fact of the matter is that technology is making it possible to monitor nearly all public and many private activities of people. This is not good...period.

Silly me.

I had thought since the Patriot Act everyone was presumed guilty until they could prove they were innocent, or at least not Muslim or Arab.

I assure you, I feel/felt the same way about the supposedly Labour governments of Tony Blair and their 'anti-terror' legislation and the government law to protect religious groups against criticism.

Still, at least Blair's off in the Middle East and elsewhere spreading his own brand of dishonesty and mayhem somewhere else.

[Elok]

That ass saved this thread

Don't talk about DD that way!