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Obesity is a choice because I promise you that if you stop shoving as much calories of food in your pie hole as you need per day then you will eventually lose weight. I base this off of a little-known physical concept called "conservation of energy".
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If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Don't be stupid HC. The laws of thermodynamics break down when high fructose corn syrup tells your body to get fat. Corn has magical properties so any glucose or fructose you get from corn is going to have different effects from the glucose and fructose you get from everything else you eat.Comment
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Hahaha retards out in force today.Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
Maybe you should have taken more biology classes instead of compsci.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Originally posted by gribbler View Post
This from the idiot who thinks HFCS and fructose are the same.
All calories aren't the same because living things have something called a metabolism.
Take protein for example. The body expends six times more energy digest a single calorie of protein than it does a carbohydrate.
It's not just in and out, dumb****. The body has to work to digest.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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My mom used to say that eating was work.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"Comment
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No, I think the fructose in HFCS is the same thing as fructose. Yes, carbs are different from proteins... because they are not the same ****ing chemical.Originally posted by Sava View Post
This from the idiot who thinks HFCS and fructose are the same.
All calories aren't the same because living things have something called a metabolism.
Take protein for example. The body expends six times more energy digest a single calorie of protein than it does a carbohydrate.
It's not just in and out, dumb****. The body has to work to digest.Comment
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The only sugar I consume is lactose which tells my body to maintain my lean, muscular physiqueOriginally posted by gribbler View PostComment
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That's a pity. I don't have do anything like that to keep in awesome shape.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"Comment
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But you just said, law of thermodynamics.Originally posted by gribbler View Post
All calories are the same. All calories, no matter what, affect the body the same way.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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I couldn't remember which thread had the HFCS threadjack.
HFCS and cane sugar are NOT biochemically identical or processed the same way by the body. High fructose corn syrup is an industrial food product and far from “natural” or a naturally occurring substance. It is extracted from corn stalks through a process so secret that Archer Daniels Midland and Carghill would not allow the investigative journalist Michael Pollan to observe it for his book The Omnivore’s Dilemma. The sugars are extracted through a chemical enzymatic process resulting in a chemically and biologically novel compound called HFCS. Some basic biochemistry will help you understand this. Regular cane sugar (sucrose) is made of two-sugar molecules bound tightly together– glucose and fructose in equal amounts.The enzymes in your digestive tract must break down the sucrose into glucose and fructose, which are then absorbed into the body. HFCS also consists of glucose and fructose, not in a 50-50 ratio, but a 55-45 fructose to glucose ratio in an unbound form. Fructose is sweeter than glucose. And HFCS is cheaper than sugar because of the government farm bill corn subsidies. Products with HFCS are sweeter and cheaper than products made with cane sugar. This allowed for the average soda size to balloon from 8 ounces to 20 ounces with little financial costs to manufacturers but great human costs of increased obesity, diabetes, and chronic disease.
Now back to biochemistry. Since there is there is no chemical bond between them, no digestion is required so they are more rapidly absorbed into your blood stream. Fructose goes right to the liver and triggers lipogenesis (the production of fats like triglycerides and cholesterol) this is why it is the major cause of liver damage in this country and causes a condition called “fatty liver” which affects 70 million people.
The rapidly absorbed glucose triggers big spikes in insulin–our body’s major fat storage hormone. Both these features of HFCS lead to increased metabolic disturbances that drive increases in appetite, weight gain, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, dementia, and more.
But there was one more thing I learned during lunch with Dr. Bruce Ames. Research done by his group at the Children’s Hospital Oakland Research Institute found that free fructose from HFCS requires more energy to be absorbed by the gut and soaks up two phosphorous molecules from ATP (our body’s energy source).
This depletes the energy fuel source, or ATP, in our gut required to maintain the integrity of our intestinal lining. Little “tight junctions” cement each intestinal cell together preventing food and bacteria from “leaking” across the intestinal membrane and triggering an immune reaction and body wide inflammation.
High doses of free fructose have been proven to literally punch holes in the intestinal lining allowing nasty byproducts of toxic gut bacteria and partially digested food proteins to enter your blood stream and trigger the inflammation that we know is at the root of obesity, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, dementia, and accelerated aging. Naturally occurring fructose in fruit is part of a complex of nutrients and fiber that doesn’t exhibit the same biological effects as the free high fructose doses found in “corn sugar”.
The takeaway: Cane sugar and the industrially produced, euphemistically named “corn sugar” are not biochemically or physiologically the same.
This guy has written some excellent books with lots of studies. He's consolidated all the information. So read. Learn.
And stop being ****ing stupid.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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An actual study. HFCS is not the same as fructose. It does not affect the body the same way as fructose.
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Interest in sweetening agents is encouraging manufacturers and researchers to find a safe substance to maintain the life quality of diabetics. The popularity of sweetened food items has increased recently in Taiwan. The glycemic index of fructose has been reported to be 20%, much lower than most carbohydrate foods. A high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) has come onto the market of sweetening agents and has been proposed as a low-cost substitute for fructose in dietetic management of diabetes. The aim of this study was to compare the glycemic effects of HFCS and glucose to see if there is a place for high-fructose corn syrup in diabetic management. In 8 normal and 21 non-insulin dependent diabetes mellitus (NIDDM) subjects, we performed oral tolerance tests. After an overnight fast, the subjects were given either 75g of glucose or an equivalent amount of HFCS containing 75g of carbohydrate. Blood was sampled before and at 30, 60, 90, 120 and 180 minutes after the glucose load. Blood glucose was analyzed by the glucose oxidase method using YSI 23 A (Yellow-Springs Intrument). The insulin and C-peptide were measured by RIA kits from Daiichi. The area under the curves (AUC) was calculated for plasma glucose, immunoreactive insulin (IRI) and immunoreactive C-peptide (IRCP). The results showed that the glycemic effect of HFCS was 73% of glucose. The AUC of IRI after HFCS was 56% of that of glucose. The AUC of IRCP after HFCS was 57% of that of glucose. The high glycemic index of HFCS in our study does not support the use of HFCS as a substitute for fructose.
Seriously. Google "high fructose corn syrup" along with terms like "metabolism" "blood sugar".
See what you find.
Idiots.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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OH BUT I AM A PERSONAL RESPONSBILITY GOD
I CHOOSE HOW MY BODY REACTS TO EATING THIS STUFF
I CAN WILL MY BLOOD SUGAR
IT S A CHOICE
I ALSO CAN CONTROL MY HEARTBEAT
THATS A CHOICE
I CAN CONTROL MY LIVER FUNCTION
THATS A CHOICETo us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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I mean, you are basing your entire brain dead ideology on choice. A concept that cannot even be proven to exist.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Results of randomized clinical trials have been inconsistent. The Dietary Guidelines for Americans and the AHA have published similar recommendations for added sugars. The debate among the public is complicated by confusion over the terms “fructose,” “high fructose corn syrup (HFCS),” and “sucrose,” with many people believing that there are metabolic differences between HFCS and sucrose. This confusion persists despite the fact that both the American Medical Association and the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics have issued statements reporting that both of these sugars are essentially equivalent. Furthermore, there is a broad scientific consensus on the metabolic equivalence of HFCS and sucrose.
High-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) is a fructose-glucose liquid sweetener alternative to sucrose (common table sugar) first introduced to the food and beverage industry in the 1970s. It is not meaningfully different in composition or metabolism from other fructose-glucose sweeteners like sucrose, honey, and fruit juice concentrates.
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In particular, I evaluate the strength of the popular hypothesis that HFCS is uniquely responsible for obesity. Although examples of pure fructose causing metabolic upset at high concentrations abound, especially when fed as the sole carbohydrate source, there is no evidence that the common fructose-glucose sweeteners do the same. Thus, studies using extreme carbohydrate diets may be useful for probing biochemical pathways, but they have no relevance to the human diet or to current consumption. I conclude that the HFCS-obesity hypothesis is supported neither in the United States nor worldwide.
A study published today in the Journal of Applied Physiology, Nutrition, and Metabolism presented compelling data showing the consumption of both high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) and sucrose (table sugar) at levels consistent with average daily consumption do not increase liver fat in humans, a leading cause of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD). The findings also add to an already well-established body of science that high fructose corn syrup and table sugar are metabolically equivalent.
Similar decreases in weight and indices of adiposity are observed when overweight or obese individuals are fed hypocaloric diets containing levels of sucrose or high fructose corn syrup typically consumed by adults in the United States.
CONCLUSIONS: Sucrose and HFCS do not have substantially different short-term endocrine/metabolic effects.
Enjoy your stupid health fad that flies in the face of scientific consensus...
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Sava sucks at chemistry AND biology. Shocker.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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