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    PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- City police were trying to find out who is behind an anonymous social media site that has been identifying witnesses in violent crimes across Philadelphia with the stated intention of trying to "expose rats."The "rats215" account on the photo-sharing site Instagram has posted pictures, police statements and testimony identifying more than 30 witnesses since February, The Philadelphia Inquirer (http://bit.ly/1abk873 ) reported.
    Police Lt. John Walker said investigators learned of the account last week when an officer monitoring Twitter spotted photos of a witness and court records from an attempted shooting last year. That led to the Instagram account where officials found witness statements from the alleged 19-year-old victim, who said he was fired upon that summer because he had testified in a homicide case, he said.
    Instagram representatives said they were looking into the account, which was inaccessible by 8 p.m. Thursday, the newspaper said.
    The account had nearly 7,900 followers and had been updated almost daily. It contained more than 150 photos, many drawing dozens of comments and "likes."
    "Post some new rats," one commenter wrote in September, according to the Inquirer. "I needa put a hit out on them."
    One post praised drug dealer Kaboni Savage, who was sentenced to death for being behind a dozen murders including a firebombing that killed four children and two women.
    Tasha Jamerson, a spokeswoman for the district attorney's office, said she couldn't comment on an investigation but called witness intimidation a "very serious, ongoing problem" that plagues Philadelphia prosecutors daily.
    "We work with Philadelphia police to investigate vigorously and thoroughly any attempt to intimidate any witness, to identify perpetrators, and, where appropriate, arrest and prosecute," she said in an email.
    Veteran law enforcement officials say they have seen victims' statements posted in barbershops, on neighborhood utility poles and even mailed to the homes of witnesses, but such statements now are as likely to wind up on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram.
    Walker said investigators are now working to identify the account-holder.
    "These actions shoot an arrow through the heart of the criminal justice system, placing victims and witnesses at risk," he said.
    I generally distrust the law enforcement apparatus but I definitely think these "snitches get stitches" yahoos are far worse.
    "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
    'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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    Hard to believe. OK, difficult to believe, even with my perception of Philly.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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    • #3
      Hard to believe it isn't happening everywhere.
      No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
        Hard to believe it isn't happening everywhere.
        I think that it really is dependent on how isolated a subgroup or subculture feels from the state apparatus. I'm pretty sure that if you conducted a poll in Philly, most residents would highly distrust the police. These problems don't develop in areas where police are generally regarded as neutral to positive. How does Philly PD mend broken trust and how do Philly residents fight back against this kind of intimidation?
        "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
        'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MRT144 View Post
          I think that it really is dependent on how isolated a subgroup or subculture feels from the state apparatus. I'm pretty sure that if you conducted a poll in Philly, most residents would highly distrust the police. These problems don't develop in areas where police are generally regarded as neutral to positive. How does Philly PD mend broken trust and how do Philly residents fight back against this kind of intimidation?
          It's a vicious cycle. Poor residents of philly are disproportionately involved in violent crime, which leads the police to profile (consciously or not) from simple Bayesian reasoning. This in turn leads to many poor kids living down to expectations, because if the authorities don't trust them, why should they trust the authorities? Thus further fueling the problem.

          There has to be some way to break the cycle.
          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
            It's a vicious cycle. Poor residents of philly are disproportionately involved in violent crime, which leads the police to profile (consciously or not) from simple Bayesian reasoning.
            "Bayesian reasoning"? Could you try using normal words...?

            There has to be some way to break the cycle.
            Like not employing the "Bayesian reasoning" of deciding the probability someone is a criminal is high because they're black?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MRT144 View Post
              I think that it really is dependent on how isolated a subgroup or subculture feels from the state apparatus. I'm pretty sure that if you conducted a poll in [Any major city], most [poor inner city residents] would highly distrust the police. These problems don't develop in areas where police are generally regarded as neutral to positive. How [do PDs] mend broken trust and how do [poor inner city residents] fight back against this kind of intimidation?
              I think this is closer to the truth.
              No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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              • #8
                I don't know the answer to this.
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #9
                  If you did you'd solve Chicago's massive crime index.
                  Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                  "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                  He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
                    If you did you'd solve Chicago's massive crime index.
                    Only if I was well compensated.
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                      There has to be some way to break the cycle.
                      It's a shame there is literally no way to help lift them out of the poverty they live in by say providing decent healthcare, schooling and employment opportunity...

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                      • #12
                        LITERALLY
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                          It's a shame there is literally no way to help lift them out of the poverty they live in by say providing decent healthcare, schooling and employment opportunity...
                          Medicaid, free public schools, the Army.
                          John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Felch View Post
                            Medicaid, free public schools, the Army.
                            You must be doing it right, as it's working out so well for you.

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                            • #15
                              The British always seem to know how to solve the rest of the world's problems.

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