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    With six weeks of negotiations to go on getting a budget deal, Bill Gross pipes in with some relevant thoughts.

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney)

    Bill Gross is feeling guilty about being among the wealthiest people in America. That's why he thinks that he and other filthy rich members of the 1% should pay more in taxes.

    "Having gotten rich at the expense of labor, the guilt sets in and I begin to feel sorry for the less well-off," writes Gross, co-founder of investment firm Pimco and manager of the biggest bond fund in the world, in the opening of his latest monthly investment letter.

    Gross usually devotes his outlook pieces to discussions of the bond market. And they are often littered with pop culture references. He didn't disappoint this month.

    He compared those who complain about paying a greater percentage of their wealth in taxes to the Disney (DIS, Fortune 500) character Scrooge McDuck.

    "It's time to kick out and share some of your good fortune by paying higher taxes and reforming them to favor economic growth and labor, as opposed to corporate profits and individual gazillions," Gross wrote.

    Gross is at the very top of the ultra-rich group he is talking about. Forbes estimates his net worth at $2.2 billion, which would put him in the top 0.01%.

    Gross said he and other top 1% earners need to recognize that they have had the "privilege of riding the credit wave and a credit boom for the past three decades. Paraphrasing President Obama's "you didn't build that" comment from the 2012 campaign, Gross reminds the rich "you did not create that wave. You rode it."

    He's not the first billionaire to argue that the rich should pay more in taxes. Investor Warren Buffett has been doing so for the past few years.

    But by implementing "more equitable tax reform," Gross said the United States could improve its competitive position, and challenge more productive economies such as Germany and Canada.

    "Developed economies work best when inequality of incomes are at a minimum," he argued.

    Another jab at Carl Icahn? Gross also slammed Corporate America for profiting at the expense of labor.

    Instead of boosting their earnings by buying back stock or cutting expenses, Gross said companies need to be reinvesting in new plants and equipment.

    He recalled his 2002 criticism of General Electric (GE, Fortune 500) for taking on too much short-term debt, and said another large company is growing its earnings and inflating its stock price by reducing expenses and buying back shares.

    The jab at stock buybacks also serves as an indirect but obvious slight toward activist investor Carl Icahn, who has been pushing Appl (AAPL, Fortune 500)to buy back $150 billion of its own stock.

    Last week, Gross picked a Twitter fight with Icahn, tweeting that "Icahn should leave #Apple alone & spend more time like Bill Gates," referring to the Microsoft (MSFT, Fortune 500)chairman who's now famous for his philanthropic efforts. "If #Icahn's so smart, use it to help people not yourself."

    He later added that "I should spend more TIME like Bill Gates too -- we all should. He and Melinda are great paragons."

    But that didn't stop Icahn from shooting back on Twitter, telling Gross that "if you really want to do good, why not join http://givingpledge.org/ like Gates, I and many others have?" Icahn is referring to the effort by Gates, his wife Melinda and Buffett to get more wealthy individuals to donate a big chunk of their wealth to charitable and philanthropic causes.

    Gross bashes the Fed too. Gross also likened a stock buyback to the Federal Reserve's massive bond buying programs that began in the aftermath of the financial crisis in an effort to stimulate the economy.

    "The U.S. economy -- thanks to the Fed-- has been operating a $1 trillion share buyback program nearly every year since late 2008, buying up Treasuries but watching much of that money flow straight into risk assets and common stocks instead of productive plant and equipment," he said. "My goodness!"

    Gross concluded that growth needs to come from investment and demand for actual products. He called on the Obama Administration, which has been campaigning to increase foreign investment in the United States, to keep asking Corporate America and the 1% to also invest more in the U.S.

    "If there's not a profitable new "iGIZMO" or a dynamic biotechnological breakthrough worthy of investment, how about simply a joint effort between government and private enterprise in an infrastructure bank where our third world airports, third world city streets and third world water systems are modernized" Gross proposed.
    Bill Gross, co-founder of Pimco, says rich Americans have had the privilege of riding the credit wave over the past three decades, and it's time to pay up ... himself included


    The question is...Will the "no new taxes ever" Republicans listen?
    "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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    Those Congressmen were bought and paid for fair and square. And they'll stay bought if they know what's good for 'em.
    “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

    ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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    • #3
      PLATO
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • #4
        Bill Gross is feeling guilty about being among the wealthiest people in America. That's why he thinks that he and other filthy rich members of the 1% should pay more in taxes.
        http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r.../gift/gift.htm

        The government stands ready to accept however much of Bill Gross's wealth he feel necessary to assuage his guilt.
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #5
          Love it or leave it DD.
          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PLATO View Post
            With six weeks of negotiations to go on getting a budget deal, Bill Gross pipes in with some relevant thoughts.



            Bill Gross, co-founder of Pimco, says rich Americans have had the privilege of riding the credit wave over the past three decades, and it's time to pay up ... himself included


            The question is...Will the "no new taxes ever" Republicans listen?
            Of course they won't. It'd be nice if the GOP gave some on taxes (or heck, thought about trading higher income taxes for lower corporate taxes) and the Dems gave some on entitlement reform... but there is too much vested interest in being over partisan.
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sava View Post
              Love it or leave it DD.
              Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya, then.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                Of course they won't. It'd be nice if the GOP gave some on taxes (or heck, thought about trading higher income taxes for lower corporate taxes) and the Dems gave some on entitlement reform... but there is too much vested interest in being over partisan.
                Hell if the GOP simply does nothing government spending decreases yet again. Sequester!
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                  Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya, then.
                  I'm not the one passively whining that I have to pay taxes.

                  Or getting whiny at the suggestion that billionaires pay more.
                  To us, it is the BEAST.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sava View Post
                    Or getting whiny at the suggestion that billionaires pay more.
                    I'm being pro-active in suggesting ways that Bill Gross can assuage his heartfelt guilt at being so rich.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                      I'm being pro-active in suggesting ways that Bill Gross can assuage his heartfelt guilt at being so rich.
                      A trite point.

                      It does touch on a better point that rich people prefer to give to philanthropy than to the government. They want their money spent for things that they want to improve (health, education, etc) and not to fund potentially random government spending plans.
                      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                        I'm being pro-active in suggesting ways that Bill Gross can assuage his heartfelt guilt at being so rich.
                        All I hear is "wah wah wah".

                        Go win an election.

                        Oh rightttttt....

                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dauphin View Post
                          It does touch on a better point that rich people prefer to give to philanthropy than to the government. They want their money spent for things that they want to improve (health, education, etc) and not to fund potentially random government spending plans.
                          I would have mentioned this as well but the guy seemed desperate to hand more money to the government.
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sava View Post
                            All I hear is "wah wah wah".

                            Go win an election.

                            Oh rightttttt....

                            The people in charge of tax policy did win an election.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #15
                              Why do you hate America?
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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