Norwegian bigotry

[Sava]

I typically defer to the dictionary when discussing words meanings. Crazy.

That's interesting. Because you demonstrate a lack of understanding about clearly defined concepts.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I grasp the concept that a dictionary is the repository for most generally accepted meanings that aren't otherwise stretched beyond their intent.

[Sava]

I grasp the concept that a dictionary is the repository for most generally accepted meanings that aren't otherwise stretched beyond their intent.

Really? Because it doesn't seem like you do.

abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism?db=dictionary

Ethnicity/nationality are recognized characteristics of "race".

So yeah. Learn the meaning of words.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Ethnicity may in certain circumstances be a single (amongst many) characteristic of race but is not the same as race. Races, as an example, may have several ethnicities applied to it. Similarly ethnicity may bridge different races. The concept of race to describe any singular scientific grouping of people is problematic in its outset for any of a number of reasons, not least of which is that race is not synonomous with ethnicity.

[Sava]

Ethnicity may in certain circumstances be a single (amongst many) characteristic of race but is not the same as race. Races, as an example, may have several ethnicities applied to it. Similarly ethnicity may bridge different races. The concept of race to describe any singular scientific grouping of people is problematic in its outset for any of a number of reasons, not least of which is that race is not synonomous with ethnicity.

Holy strawman batman.

Nobody is saying that ethnicity is the sole aspect of race. But it is an aspect.

Hating Irish people isn't the same as hating white people. But hating Irish people is still considered racism.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Do you know what a strawman is? You seem to use that term in error as well.

[The Mad Monk]

The Norwegians need to man up, like the Swedes. Even Swedish refs are badass.

[Sava]

Do you know what a strawman is? You seem to use that term in error as well.

Sure.

To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position

To be fair, I just think you are stupid and not actually intending to create a strawman. It just seems like one.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Nobody is saying that ethnicity is the sole aspect of race. But it is an aspect.

So to recap in Sava world, ethnicity is not necessarily the same as race, per above. Sava gives a dicitionary definition wherein the word ethnicity is never used but that the defintion clearly indicates:

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

The best he can come up with is that ethnicity is a part of or characteristic of race (not in disupute btw). But then proceeds to proclaim that ethnic bigotry of any sort is equal to racism.

Logic puzzle not logical.

[Sava]

So to recap in Sava world, ethnicity is not necessarily the same as race, per above. Sava gives a dicitionary definition wherein the word ethnicity is never used but that the defintion clearly indicates:


The best he can come up with is that ethnicity is a part of or characteristic of race (not in disupute btw). But then proceeds to proclaim that ethnic bigotry of any sort is equal to racism.

Logic puzzle not logical.

I'm just reporting what the definition of racism is.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

there is no distinction between the terms racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination

Don't be mad at me because you don't know what words mean.

[Sava]

Also... this is formally defined in the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination... which was ratified by 176 countries including the United States.

So yeah... that's what racism means... according to the whole world.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

No that is racial discrimination or moroeover the UN attempt to deal with it (and is made purposefully broad to encompass more than simply racist acts) which is not equal to racism.

This definition does not distinguish between discrimination based on ethnicity and discrimination based on race, in part because the distinction between the ethnicity and race remains debatable among anthropologists.[24] The inclusion of descent specifically covers discrimination on the basis of caste and other forms of inherited status.[25]

Discrimination need not be strictly based on race or ethnicity for the Convention to apply. Rather, whether a particular action or policy discriminates is judged by its effects.[26]

In seeking to determine whether an action has an effect contrary to the Convention, it will look to see whether that action has an unjustifiable disparate impact upon a group distinguished by race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin.[26]

Don't be all butt hurt at me that wiki understands there are differences between ethnic discrimination and racist discrimination but allows that the UN has decided for simplicity sake to treat them the same.

[Sava]

Thank you for repeatedly demonstrating that you don't know what words mean... even when you quote the definitions.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I'm just reporting what the definition of racism is.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

Attempt at a new definition cause you didn't like the previous one where you were clearly shown wrong. Interesting. Where has that tactic been used before?

Another little tidbit, encyclopedias are not dictionaries. So to the original point, dictionaries define words. Encyclopedias give background info on the topic in general but are not the definitive word on definitions. Generally speaking, dictionaries trump encyclopedias in the definition department.

[Sava]

Attempt at a new definition cause you didn't like the previous one

Yes. This is exactly what you are doing.

I also posted the dictionary definition.