Pope sends direct message to Ben

[Ben Kenobi]

What is this, tag team?

Yeah, ain't as much fun is it, eh?

[Ben Kenobi]

Ah, so when god commanded people to go out and ethnically cleanse other civilizations, that means that ethnic cleansing/genocide is not sinful? I understand now

Hmm. So when the Jews attempted passage through their lands to get to Israel, and the other 'civilization' attempted to slaughter all of them - the Jews are required to lie down and accept it? Or are they permitted to do battle with them - fight them, and impose upon them the same punishment they attempted to inflict?

The Jews did not start the conflict. All they had to do was let the Jews pass through their land.

[Ben Kenobi]

The overwhelming pressure from secular Western society at this exact moment is purely coincidental."

Oh. Snap.

[Ben Kenobi]

Have you forgotten the part about turning the other cheek you imbecile? Loving your neighbour isn't supposed to depend on your neighbour loving you.

Ok, so you're admitting that he wasn't a neighbor who treated me with kindness. Great. Progress.

What evidence do you have for me mistreating him?

No, hating an entire race of people because one person from that race did something bad to you is not in any way 'basic psychology'.

Yes, it is basic psychology. Just because it's irrational doesn't mean that it's not an understandable reaction. Treating an entire race with caution because you were mugged by someone who was black - that is no longer pre-judice. You have a reason to believe the way that you do from actual experiences.

Now, you also seem to commit an error. Just because people in general can and do act this way, you're assuming that I personally agree with doing this. I don't. I think it is irrational myself. But - people do irrational things all. the. time. Sometimes because they are tired. Sometimes because they are afraid. Sometimes even because they are angry for what happened to them. I've seen it.

You need to see a therapist quite badly

As if therapists themselves are immune from these actions too. Yes, I've seen a therapist. I had one who could have been a carbon copy of you. The most unhelpful and worthless therapist ever that, moreover, I had a contract where I was paying them. For months.

Do you really want to ask me how that went down?

I will say, she taught me an excellent lesson into the methods that you guys use to try to destroy someone. It was good to see gloves off in an environment where she felt immune and secure without the usual shibboleths.

[Elok]

I didn't say they're un-Christian. Just that neither they, nor any other denomination, has any conceivable ground to stand on here. It's very nearly the theological equivalent of a perpetual-motion machine. They did not think, "hey, the OT says no, Paul says no, dozens of generations of earlier Christians have unequivocally said no, but Jesus did not specifically say no so we'll say maybe. The overwhelming pressure from secular Western society at this exact moment is purely coincidental."

[kentonio]

No. Betcha their justification involves "continuing revelation" or "the guidance of the Holy Spirit" or some other hand-waving euphemism for "we've got nothing, but the social pressure's on so we'll fudge it." Jesus could have preached the Sermon Against Man-Love on the Mount, and they'd still explain it away.

Perhaps you could do some research into it before writing off a 2 million strong branch of Christianity as un-Christian? Just a thought.

[Sava]

You sound like a frothing bigot.

[Elok]

No. Betcha their justification involves "continuing revelation" or "the guidance of the Holy Spirit" or some other hand-waving euphemism for "we've got nothing, but the social pressure's on so we'll fudge it." Jesus could have preached the Sermon Against Man-Love on the Mount, and they'd still explain it away.

[kentonio]

What endless confusion? This is one particular point on which the entire Judeo-Christian tradition is crystal clear. There is absolutely nothing in favor of gay marriage, and a good deal against it. Calling it endless confusion is some report-the-controversy BS.

You know the Presbyterian Church in the US recently voted to sanction gay marriage right?

[Elok]

Is god/Jesus not omnipotent and omnipresent? What Jesus was saying was not just to a few Jews in the time he was speaking, it was the basis for the bible which then spoke to two thousand years of Christians all over the world. If Jesus wanted to explicitly forbid homosexuality, why would he not do so, despite knowing that in the future this would cause endless problems and confusion? More to the point, if he knew that gay marraige would become legal all across the christian world as is now becoming the case, why wouldn't he have expressly banned it if that was his wish?

What endless confusion? This is one particular point on which the entire Judeo-Christian tradition is crystal clear. There is absolutely nothing in favor of gay marriage, and a good deal against it. Calling it endless confusion is some report-the-controversy BS.

[Kidlicious]

yes i can see why this would be a problem for you. your love of authority pours from the rest of your post.

Telling, you equate authority with greatness, yet you have an irrational hatred for it.

[Sava]

What is this, tag team?

[C0ckney]

Thinking for yourself doesn't count for much when you don't know anything. Appreciate true greatness instead of yourself. If you ever become great as well, think for yourself. The problem liberals have is they think little children should not only think for themselves, but they should teach us to think.

yes i can see why this would be a problem for you. your love of authority pours from the rest of your post.

[Kidlicious]

Interesting perspective. Personally I'm counting on the Streisand effect. Now everyone will associate, "fat bitter lesbian", with her name.

[Kidlicious]

I always love religious arguments for this reason. The religionista can never actually be proven wrong. Interpretations of text are twisted to fit personal interpretations. This is why there can only be atheists, agnostics, and fundamentalists. Everyone else is just wishy washy middle of the roadkill... clinging to childish teachings because the task of thinking for oneself is too great to overcome.

Thinking for yourself doesn't count for much when you don't know anything. Appreciate true greatness instead of yourself. If you ever become great as well, think for yourself. The problem liberals have is they think little children should not only think for themselves, but they should teach us to think.