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  • The AK pattern rifles are just flat out not as good as AR pattern designs. There's a lot of internet arguments over this but really it all comes down to the fact that they're not actually more reliable under a normal maintenance regime--in fact, they're less reliable due to more moving parts, and they're far less accurate due to larger tolerances and again more moving parts. Moreover, when AR-15s/M16s/M4s break they can usually be user-serviced, and when AK pattern rifles break they're going back to the armorer or the manufacturer. The receiver is also very long, meaning the gun is heavier and the barrel is shorter for an equivalent overall length, which is important when riding in a vehicle where it's difficult to maneuver long weapons. Once again this reduces accuracy, range, and lethality. AK performance under low maintenance and in dirty environments can be achieved in the AR-15 with simple measures like a Nickel-Boron (NiB) coating on the bolt carrier group.

    I was referring to the fact that the Marines were still using M16A2s after the Army had already switched to M4s, and this follows a long pattern of the Marines often using Army hand-me-downs due to no budget to procure new ground equipment. This applies to their tanks as well.

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    • Wouldn't it cost less to use "hand me downs" versus buying new rifles?
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • My point was rifles don't cost much compared to an F-35.

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        • Oh. Agree. Maybe you should have just said that.
          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
            This is mainly a function of their being the largest single branch in the military. On a man-to-man basis, the Army's probably not stupider than any of the others.
            You obviously haven't spent much time around Army guys. They are stupider on a man-to-man basis.
            I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

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            • What about on a man-on-man basis?
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • Originally posted by Captain ******* Kirk View Post
                You obviously haven't spent much time around Army guys. They are stupider on a man-to-man basis.
                You obviously haven't.

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                • What about on a man-on-man basis?
                  Man-on-Man Rankings: Marines > Navy >>> Army > Air Force

                  Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                  You obviously haven't.


                  It was even pointed out to me initially by a former Army enlisted. It makes sense when you think about it; the Army is recruiting trigger pullers and puts a lot of focus on PT, while the Navy and Air Force are recruiting people with technical skills and better educations. The big mystery is the Marines, who should be dumber than the Army but have somehow developed a more open-minded and intellectually rigorous culture.
                  Last edited by Captain ******* Kirk; October 5, 2013, 14:30.
                  I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

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                  • Originally posted by Captain ******* Kirk View Post
                    Man-on-Man Rankings: Marines > Navy >>> Army > Air Force
                    This seems odd. Being the wussiest branch, I figured the Air Force would rank higher.
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • The Air Force doesn't actually do much fighting, so there's always plenty of women around when they get back to the golf course.
                      I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

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                      • Originally posted by Captain ******* Kirk View Post
                        The Air Force doesn't actually do much fighting, so there's always plenty of women around when they get back to the golf course.


                        So that's where the smart guys go.
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • Originally posted by Captain ******* Kirk View Post
                          Man-on-Man Rankings: Marines > Navy >>> Army > Air Force





                          It was even pointed out to me initially by a former Army enlisted. It makes sense when you think about it; the Army is recruiting trigger pullers and puts a lot of focus on PT, while the Navy and Air Force are recruiting people with technical skills and better educations. The big mystery is the Marines, who should be dumber than the Army but have somehow developed a more open-minded and intellectually rigorous culture.
                          You're simply mistaken on the point about the marines.

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                          • No, I'm not. There's a reason the Marines embraced John Boyd and maneuver warfare in the 80s while the Army didn't. The Marines don't have the same hidebound and intellectually impoverished culture as the Army, for whatever reason.
                            I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

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                            • Originally posted by Sava View Post


                              So that's where the smart guys go.
                              Smart straight guys = Air Force

                              Smart gay guys = Navy

                              Dumb gay guys = Marines

                              Even dumber straight guys = Army

                              And that's the genius of America's four service system; there's a place for everyone.
                              I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

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                              • Originally posted by Captain ******* Kirk View Post
                                Smart straight guys = Air Force

                                Smart gay guys = Navy

                                Dumb gay guys = Marines

                                Even dumber straight guys = Army

                                And that's the genius of America's four service system; there's a place for everyone.
                                To us, it is the BEAST.

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