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  • #16
    5 shot? still not enough to declare this a victory for freedom

    i don't know how you ****ing people live with yourselves

    children get murdered just so you can go skeet shooting

    i hope its worth it

    ****ing scum

    scum of humanity

    you are worse than islamic fundamentalists
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Sava View Post
      .......children get murdered just so you can go skeet shooting......




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      • #18
        Originally posted by PLATO View Post
        Stupid and pointless thread...again.
        Stupid and pointless threads

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        • #19
          Originally posted by PLATO View Post

          Seriously, guns are not the problem...people are the problem. Solve those.
          People with guns are the problem.
          "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
          "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Wezil View Post
            People with guns are the problem.
            No they are not. Some people with guns are the problem. Most people with guns are fine. That is the simple truth.

            If people were taught personal responsibility, then "some people with guns" would most likely not be a problem either
            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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            • #21
              If you could somehow manage to keep guns out of the wrong hands I would agree with you. But you can't.
              "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
              "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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              • #22
                Originally posted by PLATO View Post
                No they are not. Some people with guns are the problem. Most people with guns are fine. That is the simple truth.

                If people were taught personal responsibility, then "some people with guns" would most likely not be a problem either
                And how do we ensure that people are taught personal responsibility?
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                "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
                  And how do we ensure that people are taught personal responsibility?
                  I believe that this is one of society's greatest challenges now. Personal responsibility seems to have taken a back seat to collective responsibility. I am not sure that I know the answer, but I do know that finding the answer is important.
                  "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                  • #24
                    Yes, but how do we, as a society, go about teaching personal responsibility? I'm not asking for lesson plans. I'm asking what force in society has the reach and power necessary to do it?
                    Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
                    "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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                    • #25
                      It is an approach guaranteed to ensure no progress is made on the gun issue.
                      "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                      "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                      • #26
                        Fact: Guns are lethal
                        Fact: People are stupid
                        Fact: People with guns are stupid and lethal
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
                          Yes, but how do we, as a society, go about teaching personal responsibility? I'm not asking for lesson plans. I'm asking what force in society has the reach and power necessary to do it?
                          Clearly - guns. Put a gun to his head, tell him what to do, and he will responsibly do it. Easiest teaching method ever, it even works for the mob.
                          Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                          GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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                          • #28
                            Al Capone.

                            You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.

                            As quoted in Forbes (6 October 1986)
                            No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Asher View Post
                              Fact: Guns are lethal
                              Fact: People are stupid
                              Fact: People with guns are stupid and lethal
                              I am lethal, but I am not stupid. The vast majority of gun owners are very responsible.

                              Fact: people who stereotype are stupid.
                              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                              • #30
                                People who generalize are realistic.

                                Fact: Homicide deaths fall when fewer people own guns.
                                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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