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    Originally posted by HP
    Israel OKs 1,200 new settlements — 3 days before peace talks.

    JERUSALEM -- Israel's housing minister on Sunday gave final approval for building nearly 1,200 new settlement apartments on lands the Palestinians want for their state, just three days before U.S.-sponsored talks on the borders of such a state are to begin in Jerusalem.

    The Palestinians said they would complain to the U.S. and Europe. Negotiator Mohammed Shtayyeh said Israel's latest announcement on promoting settlement plans, the third over the course of a week, "is clear proof that the Israeli government is not serious about the talks."

    The announcement by Israeli Housing Minister Uri Ariel came just hours before Israel was to announce the names of 26 veteran Palestinian prisoners to be freed later this week. In all, Israel has promised to free 104 such prisoners in four stages over the course of nine months of negotiations.

    The release of the prisoners is part of a U.S.-brokered deal that brought the two sides back to the table after a five-year freeze. Sunday's new settlement announcement and the expected decision on choosing the prisoners slated for release highlighted the apparent tradeoff: Israel releases some prisoners, but gets to keep building in settlements during the negotiations.

    The Palestinians want to establish a state in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem, captured by Israel in 1967. Since the 1967 war, Israel has built dozens of settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem that are now home to some 560,000 Israelis.

    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas had long insisted he would not resume negotiations without a building settlement freeze, arguing that their expansion pre-empts the outcome of such talks. Most of the international community deems settlements illegal.

    Abbas dropped his demand for the building freeze after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry won Israel's agreement to release inmates serving long sentences, including those involved in the killing of Israelis who otherwise would likely have spent the rest of their days in prison.

    Palestinian officials said Kerry also assured them that the U.S. views Israel's pre-1967 lines as a starting point for border talks, even though Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has refused to endorse the idea.

    Any prisoner release is highly controversial in Israel, particularly of Palestinians involved in killing Israelis. Abie Moses, whose pregnant wife and son were killed in a Palestinian firebomb attack in 1987, sharply criticized the government's choices.

    For the government, "it's easiest to free those murderers," Moses told Israel TV's Channel 10. "We don't have the energy to scream like the (political) right who (protest) freezing settlements or talking about the 1967 borders."

    Netanyahu presides over a coalition government with vocal advocates for continued settlement building, including in his own Likud Party.

    In Sunday's settlement announcement, the Housing Ministry said 1,187 apartments had been given final approval, the last stage before issuing tenders to contractors. Of those, 793 will be built in neighborhoods for Jews in east Jerusalem, annexed by Israel shortly after the 1967 Mideast war. Most of the international community does not recognize the annexation.

    In addition, 394 apartments are to be built in several large West Bank settlements, including Maaleh Adumim, Efrat and Ariel. The latter sits in the heart of the West Bank, and its expansion could be particularly problematic for negotiators trying to carve out a viable Palestinian state.

    The housing minister, a leading member of the pro-settler party Jewish Home, said construction would continue.

    "No country in the world takes orders from other countries where it can build and where it can't," Ariel said in his statement. "We will continue to market housing and build in the entire country ... This is the right thing at the present time, for Zionism and for the economy."

    Sunday's announcement is the third by Israel in a week that pushes forward settlement plans. A week ago, Israel expanded its list of settlements eligible for special government subsidies. Several days later, the government promoted building plans for more than 1,000 settlement homes.

    Also Sunday, an Israeli military official said troops shot dead a Palestinian man in the Gaza Strip on Saturday night. The official said the Palestinian was spotted "meddling with the ground" in an area in which explosive devices have been planted in the past, and was then seen crossing the Israeli border fence carrying a suspicious object.

    The official, speaking anonymously in line with military protocol, said soldiers fired warning shots and then, when the suspect did not stop, shot him.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3739508.html

    Way to show you're serious about resolving any of this mess. I hate how hard they're making it to keep supporting them.

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    For most Israel supporters it's actually quite easy to do since their support involved very little thought.

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    • #3
      Now that he's a second term president, and without any clear lackey for 2016's race to have to protect, I wonder if Obama just flat out tells off Israel for this sort of baloney. I understand supporting Israel - I certainly support their right to exist and self governance and whatnot - but I can't understand anyone supporting clearly ******* moves like this.
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      • #4
        Anyone ever seen Five Broken Cameras? I'd highly recommend it.
        "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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        • #5
          Continuing settlements and freeing murderers (though not all the prisoners are of course) seems completely backwards.

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          • #6
            israel in acting in bad faith shocker.
            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

            "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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            • #7
              ****. Just ****.

              There goes what little hope I had for the latest round of talks.
              "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
              "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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              • #8
                Most of these settlements are actually just neighborhoods in jerusalem, and are not settlements at all.
                If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                • #9
                  It's disputed turf HC.

                  Doing this days before peace talks is a stink bomb. The timing wasn't a coincidence.
                  "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                  "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                  • #10
                    @HC: Are you incapable of seeing reality in the Israel messes, or do you just like toeing the party line?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                      It's disputed turf HC.

                      Doing this days before peace talks is a stink bomb. The timing wasn't a coincidence.
                      It's not disputed turf, it's Israel's ****ing capital. Jews live there and are going to stay there, period. Letting more jews live there is just economic sense. It's not negotiable in the first place.

                      If letting Jews live in Jerusalem is going to sink peace talks, the peace talks are sunk to begin with. But we knew that already.
                      If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                      • #12


                        I'm not into correcting the inaccuracies today.

                        I'm sure someone else will take up the argument. Someone always does...
                        "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                        "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                        • #13
                          What, you don't believe Jerusalem is Israel's capital?
                          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Wezil View Post

                            I'm not into correcting the inaccuracies today.
                            I was up sick all night.

                            More pleasant tasks are preferred.
                            "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                            "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                              It's not disputed turf, it's Israel's ****ing capital. Jews live there and are going to stay there, period. Letting more jews live there is just economic sense. It's not negotiable in the first place.

                              If letting Jews live in Jerusalem is going to sink peace talks, the peace talks are sunk to begin with. But we knew that already.
                              Please explain how Israel claiming Jerusalem as its capital somehow disproves the notion that eastern Jerusalem is disputed. Or how claiming a holy city is simply a matter of "economic sense". You've gone full ****** here.

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