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  • #31
    Originally posted by Sava View Post
    Not likely. Today's conservatives would have been loyalists back then. That's what conservatism is. Ideology of the past... an idealized, fantasy version where everything was better back then. The love of regression. Opposition to positive change. Authoritarianism. The "freedom" for them to impose their will upon everyone. The belief that their right to extend their fist doesn't stop at your face. Opposition to planning... because planning might involve taking input from others.
    I think he's referring to the fact that you USians have been mislabelling progressives as liberals, whereas most of the world had the sense to just call them progressives and keep liberal to its original meaning.
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    • #32
      Like your mislabeling of rugby.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Colon™ View Post
        I think he's referring to the fact that you USians have been mislabelling progressives as liberals, whereas most of the world had the sense to just call them progressives and keep liberal to its original meaning.
        Maybe he should have said as much then.

        But regardless, the USian "liberals" of today would have been the liberals of the day in the 18th century. My original point stands as fact.
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #34
          No more like the progressives of the 19th century when the French revolution went awry and lead to the advent of Engle-Marx philosophical bent.
          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
            Stop making me agree with you
            Weird, isn't it?
            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
              when the French revolution went awry
              See. Modern conservatives would side with the monarchists any day of the week.
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                Rolling Stone is a magazine for baby boomer 60s liberals. Of course it's terrible. Those three things are the three worst things America has ever produced.
                It says a lot that you think the decade that brought Civil Rights was worse than any of the decades that we had slavery.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Sava View Post
                  See. Modern conservatives would side with the monarchists any day of the week.
                  Yeah...because modern conservatives just love government.
                  "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by PLATO View Post
                    Yeah...because modern conservatives just love government.
                    But that's the thing. A monarchy is about as small a government as you can get! One guy!

                    Conservatives just hate representative democracy. Be honest.
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Sava View Post
                      But that's the thing. A monarchy is about as small a government as you can get! One guy!

                      Conservatives just hate representative democracy. Be honest.


                      Conservatives (real conservatives) hate intrusive government. The right to be free to make your own choices is fundamental to conservatism. What has happened is that RELIGIOUS conservatism has gotten the upperhand in the Party and in the Press. True conservatives have little platform for their views these days because their views make sense and are not controversial enough to make the nightly news.
                      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Sava View Post
                        See. Modern conservatives would side with the monarchists any day of the week.
                        Missing your history a bit. Conservatives seethe third way of limited self governence rather than the anarchy brought about by class warfare.

                        Guys like Adams, Franklin and Washington who were horrified by what transpired to the French.
                        "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                        “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by PLATO View Post


                          Conservatives (real conservatives) hate intrusive government. The right to be free to make your own choices is fundamental to conservatism. What has happened is that RELIGIOUS conservatism has gotten the upperhand in the Party and in the Press. True conservatives have little platform for their views these days because their views make sense and are not controversial enough to make the nightly news.
                          I would tend to agree with you. However, so called "real" conservatives, the Ron Paul nuts, would defend "coloreds only/white's only" practices in the South. And ultimately, the supremacy of the private individual (as a God-given right) is monarchy.
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Sava View Post
                            I would tend to agree with you. However, so called "real" conservatives, the Ron Paul nuts, would defend "coloreds only/white's only" practices in the South.
                            I am a real conservative. I live in the South. I would never defend racism.

                            Your theory fails. Sorry.
                            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by PLATO View Post
                              I am a real conservative. I live in the South. I would never defend racism.

                              Your theory fails. Sorry.
                              Ron Paul isn't a real conservative?
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Sava View Post
                                Ron Paul isn't a real conservative?
                                Real conservatism would see "colored only/whites only" as intrusive government. True conservatives recognize the equality of rights to all people.
                                "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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