The Zimmerman Trial

[Sava]

IANAL

apple's new mobile rectal device?

[dannubis]

iANAL

[Sava]

oh
so it was more a personal proclamation by Lori?

[-Jrabbit]

apple's new mobile rectal device?

LOL, literally.

[PLATO]

Still seems like Zimmerman started it by stalking Martin like that. Should be a crime. Manslaughter I say.

Stalking is not manslaughter. What Zimmerman did is stupid, but I don't believe it implies manslaughter.

[PLATO]

ah yes

the second amendment

empowering personal protection for over 200 years

ftfy

[PLATO]

I don't get the sense that "the community" is really that passionate about this trial. People seem to have strong opinions, but not to the point of rioting. The only people who care that much are the families. It's more likely that Trayvon's mom shoots Zimmerman outside the courthouse after the trial. But even that's a Law and Order type ending.

the Miami Sheriff's department is concerned enough to have published a video asking people to remain calm and "Raise your voices, not your hands". Seems like they are worried.

[PLATO]

IANAL

Me either, but I believe that you can act if you have a reasonable fear for your life or bodily harm.

[Sava]

ftfy

No surprise. The conservative's idea of "protection" is murdering other people.

[PLATO]

No surprise. The conservative's idea of "protection" is murdering other people.

Only those who intend to do us harm. Not all of us live in an area of 30 second police response.

[dannubis]

oh
so it was more a personal proclamation by Lori?

That appears to be the case...

[Docfeelgood]

TM supporters will burn and loot if GZ is found not guilty.
I think the jury will find him guilty of MS.

[Sava]

Only those who intend to do us harm. Not all of us live in an area of 30 second police response.

Anything to the left of the conservative is commie-islamo-fascism. So pretty much everyone is a threat.

And the government is buying all the ammo to kill the conservative.

So all teachers, mailmen, cops, military personnel, firemen, garbagemen... they all intend to do the conservative harm!

[Wiglaf]

I don't think there's a realistic situation where neither is guilty of a crime. Scenarios I can imagine:

Zimmerman hunted down and killed Martin; Zimmerman is guilty of a crime.

Zimmerman followed Martin, Martin assaulted Zimmerman, and Zimmerman killed Martin in self-defense; Martin is guilty of a crime.

Zimmerman followed Martin, Martin assaulted Zimmerman, and Zimmerman killed Martin but not in self-defense; Zimmerman and Martin are both guilty of a crime.

But I don't know how things could have gone down in a way where no crime was committed.

Originally Posted by PLATO
Simple...Martin feels threatened and attacks Zimmerman with a reasonable fear that Zimmerman is going to attack him and put his life at risk. Zimmerman defends himself

Originally Posted by Lorizael
IANAL, but I'm pretty sure your scenario means Martin committed assault.

The Jew Lorizael is actually incorrect -- the scenario as described by PLATO would make Zimmerman guilty of either 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. the test is whether Martin's fear that Zimmerman is going to put him at risk of great bodily injury is reasonable. Since PLATO assumes this fear is reasonable, Trayvon is justified in using deadly force to neutralize Zimmerman. As long as Trayvon is only using this force while his fear of Zimmerman remains reasonable any attempt by Zimmerman to claim "self-defense" just does not work. you cannot start a fight, then stop for a split second and shoot the other guy as he is still in the process of defending himself, and claim self defense in florida or most anywhere...

It is still very easy to imagine a scenario in which neither the white spaniard vigilante george zimmerman nor the cute well-mannered African-American toddler with skittles committed a crime, but for some reason not even a Jew and a nerd named after a famous logician can figure it out, so let me help you out here. WHAT IF BOTH OF THEM SIMULTANEOUSLY PUT ONE ANOTHER IN IMMINENT REASONABLE FEAR OF DEATH?

[Wiglaf]

As another hint, remember that when it comes to self defense law, it's all about the appearances of imminent danger -- not reality.

And making someone think you are imminently about to put them in imminent fear of death or great bodily harm is functionally the same as putting them in imminent fear of death or great bodily harm..