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  • European protectionism driving Americans out of work.

    I would really like to see a free trade deal between the US and EU and I have to wonder why previous trade deals didn't have rules to prevent the EU from slapping a 40% tariff on US made clothing items. Yes, the US apparel industry has shrunk a lot but at least here in California fashion houses still exist making high end designer clothing and this new EU tariff is really going to hit them hard.

    So what EU goods should we slap big fat tariffs on in retaliation? I'd like to see those bastards hit where it hurts so they learn to stop playing these games.

    LA Bluejeans Makers Fear Their Business Will Fade Away

    Los Angeles is the world leader in the most American of clothing items: bluejeans. High-end, hand-stitched, designer bluejeans that will you run well over $100 a pair.
    But as the U.S. apparel industry continues to shrink, LA's bluejeans business faces a threat: a nearly 40 percent tariff, imposed by the European Union, that could cripple the city's jean business.
    When people talk about Ilse Metchek they use phrases like "she's a piece of work," "a force of nature," "she's something else." If you want to talk fashion, she's your lady.
    Metchek, president of the California Fashion Association, has more than 40 years' experience as a fashion designer. I went to her office in downtown Los Angeles to talk about jeans and fashion.
    No sooner than I could sit down, she scrutinized every piece of clothing I was wearing — especially the fabric on my jeans.
    "You see the pix, the pixel? That's treatment," Metchek says. "The fabric doesn't come like that. Some machine is streaking them that way; that's expensive. And they fit. There's a different fit. You didn't buy Levi's, you didn't buy a Gap jean. You bought those."
    Seventy-five percent of the designer jeans sold in the world are made in California. Over the past 20 years, an industry cluster was created in Los Angeles. While much of clothing manufacturing has been shipped offshore, high-end or more sophisticated manufacturing stayed here.
    And high-end jeans are complicated — there are different washes, distressing and elaborate designs.

    "The more complicated you can make that jean look, the more expensive it is. And that is at the wash house. And we have most of the wash houses in the world right here," Metchek says.
    To see how and where premium jeans are made, you have your choice of more than 30 different manufacturers in Los Angeles to visit. AG Jeans is one of the biggest, and the company makes some of the most expensive jeans — as much as $300 a pair.
    More than 40,000 people work in the apparel business in Los Angeles County alone, with women's clothing responsible for the lion's share of those jobs.
    In April, the European Union announced that tariffs on women's denim jeans would rise to 38 percent from 12 percent. for the United States' failing to comply with a World Trade Organization ruling.
    Samuel Ku, who runs AG Jeans alongside his father, says the European tariff puts many of those jobs at risk.
    "For our women's jean that's made in this factory ... we can't continue to do the same business shipping that jean to Paris. It's impossible," he says.

    Los Angeles has attracted much of the world's designer bluejeans business. The industry employs thousands of workers in the area.


    Courtesy of AG
    Ku says he'll still make the bulk of his jeans in Los Angeles, but he also has a factory in Mexico. He's likely to shift manufacturing there for the jeans that are exported to Europe. He says it won't be so easy for his competitors.
    "[Because] they've got no options. ... Let's say you have a factory. Overnight, 30 percent of your business might be gone. You're going to be afraid."
    Metchek says clothing companies could easily pick up and move to China or Mexico.
    "They make them here, and they trade on the Made in USA label. ... They will still be in business, but that label will come off," she says. And with it, Metchek says, could go thousands of U.S. jobs.
    Los Angeles is home to a large slice of the world's bluejeans trade. But as the U.S. apparel industry continues to shrink, the city's high-end bluejeans business faces a threat. The European Union has imposed a nearly 40 percent tariff, which could cripple the city's jean business.
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    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...04c5336793.261

    Cameron has at least been speaking out against the protectionist tendencies of the continentals.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...-movies-552412

    Of course, for the last decade the US and EU have been playing footsie over a proposed free trade deal but the EU keeps dragging its feet and keeps trying to exclude industries to maintain protectionism.
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    • #3
      I would like a free trade deal between everyone everywhere and for us to unilaterally get rid of tariffs. Our protectionism drives Americans out of work more than anything else.

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      • #4
        So what EU goods should we slap big fat tariffs on in retaliation?
        The tariff raise IS a retaliation, sanctioned by the WTO.

        If you'd be arguing that such retaliations are stupid, or that even complaining about 'dumping' is stupid, I'd agree with you. However, you're not.
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        • #5
          Colon: The 2005 tariff was in retaliation to the 2002 Byrd Amendment which the WTO ruled against (and it's absurd that the trade rules were written not to prevent subsidies but that's another matter). That's where the 12% original tariff was put in place. In Jan 2012 the Byrd Amendment was repealed removing any and all legal justification for the 12% tariff but rather than remove the tariff the EU illegally tripled it.

          No, this is not retailiation, the original 12% tariff was the retaliation and the new 38% tariff is just pure protectionism plain and simple. Wiki covers the sequence of events very well.

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          • #6
            California is one of the the least business friendly states in the Union.

            What are the best states for business? Which states are the least business friendly? Read, "The Most (And Least) Business Friendly States" to find out!




            California ranks last on the 2012 list of states’ friendliness to business compiled for nine years by Illinois-based Pollina Corporate Real Estate, a corporate site selector. “Californi…


            Maybe you should get your own house in order before you go blaming your problems on foreigners.

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            • #7
              LOL! The partisan rag Forbes and the OC Register which is a right wing laughing stock. The L.A. Times is actually a good paper (but it may not remain so as the Koch brothers want to buy it and turn it into a propaganda outlet) but all that link did was report about the right wing propaganda. I'm sure the tax code could be simplified but there is a huge amount of political spin involved in those claims.

              For example the article whines that Funeral Home directors have to spend a grand total of $300 to get licensed including taking a class (included for the $300) on how to handle dead bodies in a sanitary manner. Sorry, but I just don't see a problem with that. It's piddly little **** which they're trying to pretend is a mountain. Meanwhile, a ~40% tariff on US made clothing isn't little and will cost hundreds of millions and thousands of jobs.
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              • #8
                I would like to see the U.S., Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, Switzerland, Norway, Iceland along with the non eurozone members of the EU to all join the eurozone.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                  LOL! The partisan rag Forbes and the OC Register which is a right wing laughing stock. The L.A. Times is actually a good paper (but it may not remain so as the Koch brothers want to buy it and turn it into a propaganda outlet) but all that link did was report about the right wing propaganda. I'm sure the tax code could be simplified but there is a huge amount of political spin involved in those claims.

                  For example the article whines that Funeral Home directors have to spend a grand total of $300 to get licensed including taking a class (included for the $300) on how to handle dead bodies in a sanitary manner. Sorry, but I just don't see a problem with that. It's piddly little **** which they're trying to pretend is a mountain. Meanwhile, a ~40% tariff on US made clothing isn't little and will cost hundreds of millions and thousands of jobs.
                  Denial is the first stage on the way to acceptance.

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                  • #10
                    I don't see a $300 licensing fee for someone to prove they know how to handle dead bodies in a sanitary manner as being excessive or prohibitive in any way. Business income tax is what they always whine about and the rest of it is a smoke screen of non-issues. The zoning laws are all local (with the exception of the coastal commission which was set up in the 80's to decrease ocean pollution at the source and to protect the coast for public access) so complaining about the state because one city has a zoning law which won't let you put your fertilizer plant right next to a school or hospital, like Texas does (and it blew up), also strikes me as sour grapes. In a densely populated place you have to have trade offs and, yes, zoning laws are part of it.
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                    • #11
                      Add enough stupid policies and regulations together and you end up with the cluster**** that is California. Blaming foreigners isn't going to solve California's myriad problems, but you're certainly free to continue doing so.

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                      • #12


                        an interesting bit from the state business round table which is part of the Chamber of Commerce a non-government business lobbying group. Yes, it's highly partisan and their basic goal is to never ever, ever pay a penny in taxes so you have to take what they say with a grain of salt. Still, there are a few things in there I can agree with.

                        -They want to make it virtually impossible for average people to sue them and to have the start cap their loses in lawsuits even if they were at fault, screw that because if they cause people damages people should get compensation equal to the life time damage done, that said we could tighten up the requirements for who gets to file class action law suits so that fewer get filed and hopefully a larger share actually have merit.
                        -Reduce taxes on corporations? Maybe some tax credits to encourage specific activities like manufacturing but we just balanced the budget so, no, we can't blow a giant hole in the budget with tax freebies. -A rainy day fund (the governor already set one up) and pay as you go rules would be nice and most people would agree including the governor.
                        -A review of regulations and permitting processes? Sure, that's fair, let's look at it all and decide what is working and what is not but no lobbyist should be allowed in the process because we don't need to give away more to special interests.
                        -Eliminating the state sales tax on manufacturing equipment sounds fair.
                        -And in some cases we should conform state law to Federal standards but often those Federal standards are so weakened by corruption in Washington we should have strong policies but, sure, review them and see what can be done without weakening public and consumer safe guards.
                        -Anything which reduces consumer protections or public health and safety should be rejected out of hand though. For instance they want to repeal the "Green Chemisty Standards and Regulations" which requires specific innumerate shifts from highly toxic substances to less toxic chemicals. Nope, won't do that no matter how much the chemical lobby whines.


                        Not that this has anything to do with Europe's unfair and illegal protectionism.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tupac Shakur View Post
                          Add enough stupid policies and regulations together and you end up with the cluster**** that is California. Blaming foreigners isn't going to solve California's myriad problems, but you're certainly free to continue doing so.
                          Given that the budget is balanced and the state has lead the country in job creation in five of the last 12 months, I'm going to have to just laugh at your claim it is a cluster****. Sure, the real estate bubble hit the state hard and like Japan it will take years to recover from such staggering loses but it is happening.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                            Colon: The 2005 tariff was in retaliation to the 2002 Byrd Amendment which the WTO ruled against (and it's absurd that the trade rules were written not to prevent subsidies but that's another matter). That's where the 12% original tariff was put in place. In Jan 2012 the Byrd Amendment was repealed removing any and all legal justification for the 12% tariff but rather than remove the tariff the EU illegally tripled it.

                            No, this is not retailiation, the original 12% tariff was the retaliation and the new 38% tariff is just pure protectionism plain and simple. Wiki covers the sequence of events very well.

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byrd_Amendment
                            It seems companies are still receiving payouts resulting from the Byrd Amendment. Here's a very informative article: http://archive.constantcontact.com/f...248351818.html

                            There's plenty to complain about the European Commission's byzantine ways, but they typically aren't in the business of doing things nilly-willy.
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                            • #15
                              We've been dealing with American protectionism forever. To Canadians it is like death and taxes.

                              It is amusing to see an American complain though.
                              "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                              "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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