Benghazi Will Screw Obama, Which He Deserves

[MRT144]

And Bin Laden was determined to strike the US and we could have picked up one conspirator a month before the attacks of 9/11. What is your point in knowing about something that seems obvious in hindsight?

[DinoDoc]

I guess you were asleep during the Bush years, eh?

No, were you?

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

That quote goes for snoopy too.

[DinoDoc]

What is your point in knowing about something that seems obvious in hindsight?

Every other Western power left the city due to the deteriorating situation in the city.

[snoopy369]

There is a drastic difference between debating on policy and the **** that's being thrown at Obama from some members of the right these days. That's the problem I have. Same with Bush; I didn't agree with a lot of what he did on foreign policy or national security, and happily said so, but I didin't try to throw him under the bus, either.

[Jon Miller]

Every other Western power left the city due to the deteriorating situation in the city.

So you argue mistake.

How does saying it was related to the video be a coverup of this mistake?

Even if it was a mistake, and it was a spin (that makes no sense), how is this anywhere near the level of watergate/iraq war 2/iran contra?

JM

[Jon Miller]

For the level of your responses, Obama should have
A) arranged the attack on the consulate
B) did some illegal coverup (killed some reporter, for example, or stopped executive/etc investigation)

I haven't even heard suggestions of these things.

I don't understand your response.

JM

[DinoDoc]

So you argue mistake.

I argue it was stupidity and incompetence on someone's part and they should have been fired for it.

how is this anywhere near the level of watergate/iraq war 2/iran contra?

No where in this thread have I said that it was or is likely to lead to an impeachment, so why would I say it is any of those things?

So you argue mistake.

I argue it was stupidity and incompetence on someone's part and they should have been fired for it.

how is this anywhere near the level of watergate/iraq war 2/iran contra?

No where in this thread have I said that it was or is likely to lead to an impeachment, so why would I say it is any of those things?

[-Jrabbit]

DD has been consistent and relatively factual here. Don't confuse his comments with Sloww's.

But I must disagree about the whole "patriots can disagree on policy" thing. I don't see it as a big issue now. Certainly it's nothing like when GWB's team would consistently skewer their opponents as unpatriotic throughout the post-9/11 years of his reign. The Hillary quote is nice and I think (hope) we can all agree with it. But that is certainly not how it went down for opponents of W's carte blanche.

[PLATO]

Anyone that thinks Benghazi matters is a ****ing pencil dick idiot. The laser focus on such a small PR stunt is bananas compared to all the **** that has happened past present and future. These are the same **** sticks that think the Clinton BJ was high crimes.

"It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again." - Hillary Clinton, 2012 Benghazi hearings.

BTW, Clinton wasn't tried for getting a BJ dumbass. He was tried for lying under oath.

[PLATO]

I have to say it's mostly frustrating to me, though, because I'm one of those people who believes that "American" comes before "Conservative" in my identity. Sure, I don't like that we elected Obama (though I didn't really love Romney either), and I'm not going to agree with most of his policies; but I'm an American, and he's the President, and I think that I should, by default, support him in his role. It's not dissimilar to the frustration I felt in 2002-2008, with the left acting similarly, except that I thought the Republican Party was supposed to be the 'patriotic' party - ie, all these Texans and Western folk and whatnot should be Patriotic Americans first second and third. I just don't get that vibe anymore.

I have to say that this was very well said, sir.

[DaShi]

About getting a BJ.

[Guynemer]

Do you automatically construct strawmen to debate with or does it take effort on your part?

To be fair, Sloww brought up impeachment a couple times on the first page.

And it appears he is too chicken**** to put his money where his mouth is.

[Japher]

I didn't read the first page. But any thread started by Sloww about Obama automatically infers impeachment

[DaShi]

I'ld rather them concentrate on things like this then steroid abuse in baseball or bag fees for airlines.

I'd rather them concentrate on tax fraud and our nation's dismal cybersecurity.

[kentonio]

It's not dissimilar to the frustration I felt in 2002-2008, with the left acting similarly, except that I thought the Republican Party was supposed to be the 'patriotic' party - ie, all these Texans and Western folk and whatnot should be Patriotic Americans first second and third. I just don't get that vibe anymore.

Gosh, I wonder what might be different about this president that might make so many southern Americans suddenly not want to support him..