Benghazi Will Screw Obama, Which He Deserves

[Lorizael]

Actually, HERE are the relevant facts:

But Rufus, the Bush administration didn't bungle the PR aftermath. Totally not the same.

[SlowwHand]

That's a disgusting viewpoint, snoopy. I would expect something like that from...someone else. Coming from you, it's very disappointing.

[snoopy369]

That's a disgusting viewpoint, snoopy. I would expect something like that from...someone else. Coming from you, it's very disappointing.

What are you even talking about? What's disgusting - the fact that I think Benghazi is essentially a minor conspiracy theory that happened to hit the big time, or that I am disappointed in my fellow Americans for not being patriotic?

[DinoDoc]

the Obama administration would have to do something like lie to the American people, which it didn't...

So it was just a protest about a video?

and be responsible for American deaths, which it wasn't.

I'm unaware of anyone blaming the Admin for anything other than the poor state of security at the compound despite repeated warnings and pleas for more.

[Sava]

The whole Benghazi thing amuses me somewhat. There are a _very_ small number of Republicans who believe it's a super-big-important issue/example of horrible things by the Administration, and they seem to believe that all of the other Republicans support them in that, which is most certainly not true. Unless there is evidence of some sort of massive coverup of details showing they knew about the attack and allowed it to happen for [some reason], no more than a few percent of Americans will ever truly care about this. Certainly not to the point of impeachment or whatever. On my facebook feed I have exactly one person - a fellow Texan - who posts several pictures a day related to the incident, sort of in Sloww's ballpark I guess; not even a really political person, a friend's mother in law who mostly posts pictures of wildlife.

My impression is this is a extreme-edge-conservative-media thing that's getting into the somewhat mainstream discussion because it seems like it can be used as evidence of Obama's incompetence. Basically like if the truthers got somebody to listen to them.

I have to say it's mostly frustrating to me, though, because I'm one of those people who believes that "American" comes before "Conservative" in my identity. Sure, I don't like that we elected Obama (though I didn't really love Romney either), and I'm not going to agree with most of his policies; but I'm an American, and he's the President, and I think that I should, by default, support him in his role. It's not dissimilar to the frustration I felt in 2002-2008, with the left acting similarly, except that I thought the Republican Party was supposed to be the 'patriotic' party - ie, all these Texans and Western folk and whatnot should be Patriotic Americans first second and third. I just don't get that vibe anymore.

Conservatives believe they are conservative first and American second.

[snoopy369]

Conservatives believe they are conservative first and American second.

That may be true with some. It's certainly not with this conservative. I would like to think it hasn't always been true with many or most. And, like I said, it was equally true in 2002-2008 with the other side...

[Sava]

So it was just a protest about a video?

A press release in the early hours of the attack included... incorrect information/talking points!... WHICH WERE LATER CORRECTED

OMFG IMPEACH HIM


You see, this is why nobody takes you seriously... about anything... ever.

I'm unaware of anyone blaming the Admin for anything other than the poor state of security at the compound despite repeated warnings and pleas for more.

There's not one documented instance of anybody warning anyone about anything... despite Republican efforts to manufacture it. But nice try.

In fact, every state department official has agreed with the sentiment that the post was supposed to be a low profile mission with minimal US presence. That was the whole point of it.

Idiot.

[DinoDoc]

I am disappointed in my fellow Americans for not being patriotic?

This is one of the reasons why I wanted Obama to loose. Silly statements and pleas for blind support would end and dissent would become patriotic again.

[Sava]

That may be true with some. It's certainly not with this conservative. I would like to think it hasn't always been true with many or most. And, like I said, it was equally true in 2002-2008 with the other side...

You aren't really a conservative... not by DD or Republican Party standards

[Rufus T. Firefly]

But Rufus, the Bush administration didn't bungle the PR aftermath. Totally not the same.

Yep. Thank goodness we have a vigilant Congress that, having dealt with all our other issues, now has time to hold hearings into bungled spin. How they manage to find the time -- what with working a full 126 days a year, never more than 4 days a week, and having to devote a significant chunk of that to symbolic Obamacare repeals -- is truly impressive.

[Sava]

pleas for blind support would end and dissent would become patriotic again.

I guess you were asleep during the Bush years, eh?

There's a house of uber-Republican people by me that had a "support our president and our troops" sign up until the day after Obama was elected.

Republican first. American second. Just like you.

You're such a piece of ****.

[snoopy369]

This is one of the reasons why I wanted Obama to loose. Silly statements and pleas for blind support would end and dissent would become patriotic again.

What? That doesn't make a lick of sense, particularly since I'm not exactly a liberal...

Supporting our President because for better or worse he is our leader is not equal to agreeing with his policies or not stating our disagreement. Being patriotic means showing support for our President when he's not doing something you disagree with policy-wise, and not regularly trying to diminish him. In the Bush years that internal strife caused Bush to lose a lot of face, and power, in the international arena; the same is happening for Obama (less so, as of yet, but still somewhat). It stinks of being sore losers, rather than willing participants in the democratic process, which really disappoints me - as I'd like to see the American experiment continue. If this sort of dissension persists, it won't continue for long.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Yep. Thank goodness we have a vigilant Congress that, having dealt with all our other issues, now has time to hold hearings into bungled spin. How they manage to find the time -- what with working a full 126 days a year, never more than 4 days a week, and having to devote a significant chunk of that to symbolic Obamacare repeals -- is truly impressive.

I'ld rather them concentrate on things like this then steroid abuse in baseball or bag fees for airlines.

[MRT144]

That may be true with some. It's certainly not with this conservative. I would like to think it hasn't always been true with many or most. And, like I said, it was equally true in 2002-2008 with the other side...

Anyone that thinks Benghazi matters is a ****ing pencil dick idiot. The laser focus on such a small PR stunt is bananas compared to all the **** that has happened past present and future. These are the same **** sticks that think the Clinton BJ was high crimes.

[giblets]

I guess you were asleep during the Bush years, eh?

There's a house of uber-Republican people by me that had a "support our president and our troops" sign up until the day after Obama was elected.

Republican first. American second. Just like you.

You're such a piece of ****.

Why would true patriots have a sign supporting that Kenyan traitor to America?