Turkish Ambassador: Al-Qaeda not a terrorist organisation

[Zevico]

The Islamist Erdogan government is certainly not flooding the Turkish government with ignorant Islamist madrassa graduates who only learn what's between the covers of a Koran. That certainly is not the policy of a government whose Ambassador has recently declared that Al Qaeda is not a terrorist organisation. Certainly not. Why, the very thought could get you imprisoned. In Turkey, I mean.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/playing-with-fire-turkey-will-get-burned.aspx?pageID=238&nid=41542

[Hauldren Collider]

Wow. **** Erdogan.

[Tupac Shakur]

Who ****ing cares what Turkey's ambassador to Chad thinks?

[Zevico]

Wow ****ing cares what Turkey's ambassador to Chad thinks?

Well, let's go through the list:

1. France, which he tacitly accuses of being a terrorist state.
2. Turkey, which has refused to fire him to date.
3. Everyone, for the suggestion that Turkey's foreign policy is not antagonistic towards Al-Qaeda.

Last I checked, an Ambassador conveys his country's political views.

True, Erdogan is not quite at the stage at which he can fully endorse this fellow. He needs more time. If pressed internationally he may well fire him. But his domestic opponents have already pointed this out and that produced no results. Which means that domestically his views are not a concern to the Turkish Islamist AKP and at least some of the Turkish electorate.

More worrying is the notion that Turkey's political class is being transformed by these joke appointments throughout. The Ambassador to Chad is not the only person in the Islamist appointed political class to think this way. The Turkish diplomatic corp was once composed of Westernised, educated professionals who had academic educations courtesy of Western lecturers and educators. Some Turkish lecturers in foreign policy like Soner Cagaptay are world renowned scholars.

Now they're being replaced with people who think Al Qaeda is not a terrorist group.

Indeed I read an article which reported that Turkish diplomats were now being selected from theology school graduates. Read: madrassas. Possibly this is one such graduate.

Kapiche?

[Dinner]

Wow ****ing cares what Turkey's ambassador to Chad thinks?

Now I really hate Zevico because he made me agree with Drake.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Somehow. I would think even for Turkey, "Ambassador to Chad" is really not terribly far up the foreign policy hierarchy.

And most ambassadors are political plum jobs. All they have to do is not fart audibly at the state dinners and not wipe their noses with the host's napkins, and the real foreign policy work is done by professionals.

[Lancer]

I'd say he just ripped a huge loud wet one. By not tossing him out Turkey has shown that it should be tossed out of NATO and Russia should be informed that they can have the place if they're so inclined.

[Zevico]

Somehow. I would think even for Turkey, "Ambassador to Chad" is really not terribly far up the foreign policy hierarchy.

Anyone suggested otherwise?

And most ambassadors are political plum jobs. All they have to do is not fart audibly at the state dinners and not wipe their noses with the host's napkins, and the real foreign policy work is done by professionals.

And what has happened here?
And what have been the consequences for this ambassador?
And what should they have been?

And as I just pointed out: the professionals were the ambassadors before and they are now being replaced by the men from the madrassas and the professionals are not happy about it. See here for two interviews with Turkish diplomats and analysis:

http://www.meforum.org/2838/turkey-ambassadors-vs-erdogan

[Dinner]

Given that source is likely no better than your usual white supremacist source you like to link to why should anyone give a **** what you or your idiotic links say? Especially given your long and virtually complete failure of a track record?

[SlowwHand]

Well, that certainly sounds like you did extensive research for that rebuttal.

[Zevico]

Given that source is likely no better than your usual white supremacist source you like to link

For a full summary of her academic career go here:

http://www.usak.org.tr/yazar.asp?id=81

Extract:

Damla Aras is an academic specialising on security studies with special focus to the theories of coercion, its tailoring and execution especially by the medium-sized powers as well as Middle Eastern affairs with special focus on Turkish security, domestic and foreign policy.

Damla Aras is also London representative of the USAK (International Strategic Research Organization), Review of International Law and Politics (RILP) and the Journal of Turkish Weekly.
She gives lectures at King's College London, UK.
She lectures at King's College London.
At the moment she is preparing her research Threat As A Peace-Maker: Turkey’s Coercive Diplomacy Towards Syria During the 1998 October Crisis for publishing as a book and co-editing a special issue for Defence Studies Journal on the use of coercive diplomacy by the medium-sized powers.

She's a Turk.

to why should anyone give a **** what you or your idiotic links say?

And there's the rub. You need me to be a white supremacist. The notion that I am one is an utter nonsense. Back before Obama was elected you were happy to be a hunky dory pro-Israel and hawkish Democrat. Now you go into fits whenever someone suggests that Obama has mucked things up. Get a sense of perspective. If it makes you feel better I think most of the 'moderate' Republican establishment is not that much better on foreign policy.

In matters of foreign policy the American political establishment is best compared to a ship of fools. There are exceptions but you're too busy going into fits to notice them.

You need me to be a white supremacist the way Ingsoc Party members needed Goldstein: to have their daily two minutes of hate. Wake up to yourself.

Especially given your long and virtually complete failure of a track record?

You mean where I pointed out that the MB was an enemy of the West and then its leader called Obama a liar and Jews pigs?
You mean where I pointed out that there was no evidence that the Libyan rebels would necessarily be American allies and then a Libyan militia decides to blow up an American embassy?
You mean the part where neither the Libyan government nor the Americans do anything in response to this attack?
Which part did I get wrong here, Oerdin?

[kentonio]

You need me to be a white supremacist the way Ingsoc Party members needed Goldstein.

Just a thought, but perhaps people might call you a racist less if all your threads weren't about 'OMG Evil Islamists Are Trying To Take Over The World!!!'.

[regexcellent]

Given that source is likely no better than your usual white supremacist source you like to link to why should anyone give a **** what you or your idiotic links say? Especially given your long and virtually complete failure of a track record?

You have a bad habit of criticizing people for what they read as opposed to their actual points. You should probably stop doing that.

"Oh, your source is invalid because it's right wing!" Considering that you photocopy your opinions from Rachel ****ing Maddow, coming from you this is especially meaningless.

[MichaeltheGreat]

I'd say he just ripped a huge loud wet one. By not tossing him out Turkey has shown that it should be tossed out of NATO and Russia should be informed that they can have the place if they're so inclined.

Oh yes, because one minor official runs his mouth, the sky is falling.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Anyone suggested otherwise?

Then what's the issue? When you have a real foreign policy official expressing those views directly on behalf of the Turkish government, please wake me.

And what has happened here?
And what have been the consequences for this ambassador?
And what should they have been?

A fart in a windstorm
Who cares?
and Who cares?

And as I just pointed out: the professionals were the ambassadors before and they are now being replaced by the men from the madrassas and the professionals are not happy about it. See here for two interviews with Turkish diplomats and analysis:
http://www.meforum.org/2838/turkey-a...ors-vs-erdogan

And if it gets too far out of hand, I'm sure the Turkish military will idly do nothing, as they've always been prone to do.