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  • How democratic is America?

    Well apparently, it's the 21st most democratic country in the world behind South Korea, Uruguay and Mauritius. USA! USA!

    Originally posted by HP
    While some of the most oppressive parts of the world have made significant gains in democracy in the past year, the overall pace of democratic change remained stagnant in 2012. That is the conclusion of The Economist Intelligence Unit's recently published annual report on the state of global democracy for 2012.

    "In 2012 global democracy was at a standstill in the sense that there was neither significant progress nor regression in levels of democracy worldwide," Laza Kekic, the main editor of the report, said in a press release.

    The Democracy Index analyzes 165 independent countries and two territories to show the status of regional and worldwide democracy. The index uses five criteria: electoral process and pluralism; civil liberties; the functioning of government; political participation; and political culture. Each nation is categorized across gradient levels of regimes: full democracies, flawed democracies, hybrid regimes, and authoritarian regimes.

    Perhaps unsurprisingly, the most democratic countries are found in Scandinavia, with Norway, Sweden, Iceland, and Denmark occupying the first four spots on the list, and New Zealand rounding out the top five.

    Overall, half of the world lives under a democracy of some form. However, only 15 percent of countries enjoy full democracy and nearly a third of the world's nations are ruled by authoritarian regimes.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...#slide=2244299

  • #2
    Every since "The war on drugs" started in the Reagan era, the U.S. has been on a continual march to become a Police State. This is in large part due to the federal government exercising more and more control over the daily lives of U.S. citizens. This is one reson that I support State's Rights. I believe that the closer to the people the actual power is, the more democratic and free we are.

    Interestingly, people tend to focus on the bad things they see in State's Rights ( Every time I mention it people start shouting "Slavery!" and "Voting Rights!"), which have been present, but the federal government has acted correctly in its constitutional oversight in most of these issues. The problem is that the feds have acted also in many places that they were never intended too. If we see a shift of power back to the States then we will see ourselves move up the democracy rankings. Power to the people!
    "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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    • #3
      Originally posted by PLATO View Post
      Every since "The war on drugs" started in the Reagan era, the U.S. has been on a continual march to become a Police State. This is in large part due to the federal government exercising more and more control over the daily lives of U.S. citizens. This is one reson that I support State's Rights. I believe that the closer to the people the actual power is, the more democratic and free we are.

      Interestingly, people tend to focus on the bad things they see in State's Rights ( Every time I mention it people start shouting "Slavery!" and "Voting Rights!"), which have been present, but the federal government has acted correctly in its constitutional oversight in most of these issues. The problem is that the feds have acted also in many places that they were never intended too. If we see a shift of power back to the States then we will see ourselves move up the democracy rankings. Power to the people!
      Except the vast majority of the 20 countries above you in that list seem to manage just fine with a centralized government.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by kentonio View Post
        Except the vast majority of the 20 countries above you in that list seem to manage just fine with a centralized government.
        Yes, but they are much smaller than the U.S. and tend to have more homogeneous populations.
        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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        • #5
          1. Yes
          2. No
          "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kentonio View Post
            Except the vast majority of the 20 countries above you in that list seem to manage just fine with a centralized government.

            Perhaps that says more about the people making the list than the countries on the list.
            No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
              Perhaps that says more about the people making the list than the countries on the list.
              Indeed.

              As an extreme example, one may think it's only logical to rate countries with "People's Republic" in the name much higher in a list, as it's clear the people are paramount from such a mission statement.
              One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
                Perhaps that says more about the people making the list than the countries on the list.
                How gloriously American of you.

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                • #9
                  His point is clear. Anyone can make a list. Doesn't make it definitive.
                  One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dauphin View Post
                    His point is clear. Anyone can make a list. Doesn't make it definitive.
                    If there's an identifiable issue with their method of calculation, then that's a perfectly reasonable thing to critisize. Just going 'Anyone can make a list' doesn't really act as much of a rebuttal.

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                    • #11
                      I'm not rebutting it - I'm not accepting it just because HP picked it up.

                      I see no methodology set out. Show it, and we can talk.
                      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                      • #12
                        The Democracy Index analyzes 165 independent countries and two territories to show the status of regional and worldwide democracy. The index uses five criteria: electoral process and pluralism; civil liberties; the functioning of government; political participation; and political culture. Each nation is categorized across gradient levels of regimes: full democracies, flawed democracies, hybrid regimes, and authoritarian regimes.
                        Erm..

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                        • #13
                          That's not a methodology.

                          How they weight, or mark particular facets. How they define terms. How they get the survey data. Etc..
                          One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                          • #14
                            Boring!

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                            • #15
                              That stuff will be in the report. If not, it's just unsubstantiated opinion.
                              One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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