Does Kermit deserve the death penalty for this?

[Jon Miller]

This is sick, and demonstrates the sickening nature of murder in later term pregnancies.

JM

[snoopy369]

This guy is the pro-choice version of an abortion clinic bomber: clearly an idiot, and a great strawman for the other side to use against their argument.

Personally, I think DD deserves the death penalty for starting this thread, btw.

[MrFun]

Killing a baby after it's born goes very near the top on my "horrible things" list.


EDIT: in response to Sava

[Felch]

From the article:

So they were not legal abortions; they were murders.

It sounds like Dr. Kermit Gosnell may be a psychopath.

You base your moral standards on what's legal? What would you have done under the Fugitive Slave Act? Maybe you should think for a moment about how developed a fetus's nervous system is at 30 weeks, or even 24. This man wasn't performing medically necessary abortions, but was instead taking money to cause suffering and death to another human being. Even if everything he'd done had been legal, he'd still have to be a psychopath to live with himself.

[Sava]

Killing a baby after it's born goes very near the top on my "horrible things" list.


EDIT: in response to Sava

Then you seriously need to rethink your priorities for what is horrible. There's little biological difference between late term and born. Killing a baby is certainly horrible... but that's because it has parent(s) that intend to love and care for it. Otherwise, it's only horrible in more of a "all life is sacred" type deal... which is admirable and a worthy set of ideals to live up to, but highly impractical considering the vast amount of human suffering in the world.

Nobody likes the thought of choosing between two evils because both choices are evil. Pragmatic people need to make tough choices. If you can't handle the thought, by all means, take up some sort of pet cause to help yourself sleep better at night.

Otherwise, you are just a naive idiot.

[MrFun]

You base your moral standards on what's legal? What would you have done under the Fugitive Slave Act? Maybe you should think for a moment about how developed a fetus's nervous system is at 30 weeks, or even 24. This man wasn't performing medically necessary abortions, but was instead taking money to cause suffering and death to another human being. Even if everything he'd done had been legal, he'd still have to be a psychopath to live with himself.

Legality was not the only part of this that I have a problem with. Morally, as I've said above, killing a baby after it's born is a heinous act.

[MrFun]

Then you seriously need to rethink your priorities for what is horrible. There's little biological difference between late term and born. Killing a baby is certainly horrible... but that's because it has parent(s) that intend to love and care for it. Otherwise, it's only horrible in more of a "all life is sacred" type deal... which is admirable and a worthy set of ideals to live up to, but highly impractical considering the vast amount of human suffering in the world.

Nobody likes the thought of choosing between two evils because both choices are evil. Pragmatic people need to make tough choices. If you can't handle the thought, by all means, take up some sort of pet cause to help yourself sleep better at night.

Otherwise, you are just a naive idiot.

I'm against late-term abortion as well, except in cases where the mother's life is in danger.

[Sava]

killing a baby after it's born is a heinous act.

Birth is an arbitrary milestone in the development of a human being useful for establishing public policy... but absolutely a retarded notion with regards to morality.

[Guynemer]

I agree with Guy, even if he hasn't posted in this thread yet.

And I agree with Krill.

[MrFun]

To clear things up, this is where I stand in regard to abortion.

cases I support early-term abortion: rape, incest, poverty, teen pregnancy, severe abnormality/disorder of fetus, endangerment of life of pregnant woman

cases I support late-term abortion: endangerment of life of pregnant woman

[Hauldren Collider]

It's the same thinking Dr. Gosnell engaged in here that led the President when he was a state senator in Illinois to vote against a Born Alive protection acts during his time in that office. The doctor quite frankly should be an abortion rights poster boy.

QFT

[Hauldren Collider]

funny the people showing concern are the same who don't give a **** about a hundred times as many innocent people getting killed in a war or something

If only saving those lives involved taking away rights from women.

Now isn't this a wonderful strawman?

[Sava]

Now isn't this a wonderful strawman?

Wanted to make sure DD got the response he was trolling for.

[MrFun]

I'm guessing that DD has me on Ignore.

FREE AT LAST! FREE AT LAST! THANK GOD ALMIGHTY I'M FREE AT LAST!

[DinoDoc]

And I agree with Krill.

Get a room.