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  • Bob Woodward: Yes, the sequester was totally the White House's idea

    Thought we should get this on the record before March 1st hits and Oerdin et al. start complaining about evil Republican budget cuts.

    Misunderstanding, misstatements and all the classic contortions of partisan message management surround the sequester, the term for the $85 billion in ugly and largely irrational federal spending cuts set by law to begin Friday.

    What is the non-budget wonk to make of this? Who is responsible? What really happened?

    The finger-pointing began during the third presidential debate last fall, on Oct. 22, when President Obama blamed Congress. “The sequester is not something that I’ve proposed,” Obama said. “It is something that Congress has proposed.”

    The White House chief of staff at the time, Jack Lew, who had been budget director during the negotiations that set up the sequester in 2011, backed up the president two days later.

    “There was an insistence on the part of Republicans in Congress for there to be some automatic trigger,” Lew said while campaigning in Florida. It “was very much rooted in the Republican congressional insistence that there be an automatic measure.”

    The president and Lew had this wrong. My extensive reporting for my book “The Price of Politics” shows that the automatic spending cuts were initiated by the White House and were the brainchild of Lew and White House congressional relations chief Rob Nabors — probably the foremost experts on budget issues in the senior ranks of the federal government. ...

    At the Feb. 13 Senate Finance Committee hearing on Lew’s nomination to become Treasury secretary, Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) asked Lew about the account in my book: “Woodward credits you with originating the plan for sequestration. Was he right or wrong?”

    “It’s a little more complicated than that,” Lew responded, “and even in his account, it was a little more complicated than that. We were in a negotiation where the failure would have meant the default of the government of the United States.”

    “Did you make the suggestion?” Burr asked.

    “Well, what I did was said that with all other options closed, we needed to look for an option where we could agree on how to resolve our differences. And we went back to the 1984 plan that Senator [Phil] Gramm and Senator [Warren] Rudman worked on and said that that would be a basis for having a consequence that would be so unacceptable to everyone that we would be able to get action.”

    In other words, yes.

    But then Burr asked about the president’s statement during the presidential debate, that the Republicans originated it.

    Lew, being a good lawyer and a loyal presidential adviser, then shifted to denial mode: “Senator, the demand for an enforcement mechanism was not something that the administration was pushing at that moment.”

    That statement was not accurate. ...

    Why does this matter?

    First, months of White House dissembling further eroded any semblance of trust between Obama and congressional Republicans. (The Republicans are by no means blameless and have had their own episodes of denial and bald-faced message management.)

    Second, Lew testified during his confirmation hearing that the Republicans would not go along with new revenue in the portion of the deficit-reduction plan that became the sequester. Reinforcing Lew’s point, a senior White House official said Friday, “The sequester was an option we were forced to take because the Republicans would not do tax increases.”

    In fact, the final deal reached between Vice President Biden and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) in 2011 included an agreement that there would be no tax increases in the sequester in exchange for what the president was insisting on: an agreement that the nation’s debt ceiling would be increased for 18 months, so Obama would not have to go through another such negotiation in 2012, when he was running for reelection.

    So when the president asks that a substitute for the sequester include not just spending cuts but also new revenue, he is moving the goal posts. His call for a balanced approach is reasonable, and he makes a strong case that those in the top income brackets could and should pay more. But that was not the deal he made.
    Obama’s sequester deal-changer - The Washington Post

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    Who needs to argue about where the idea initially sprang from? Both parties agreed to it, and its predominantly the Republicans intransigence which is leading to it actually happening. It's pretty typical that the GOP seem to believe that the public condemnation is about the concept not the execution. The whole thing could still be avoided now if the house leadership would pull their heads out of their asses and compromise.

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    • #3
      RTFA. There's even a helpful "Why does this matter?" sentence to focus the attention of retards like yourself.

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      • #4
        I read it, I just don't give a flying **** what manufactured drama Bob Woodward wants to make out of this.

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        • #5
          Why the **** are you posting in this thread, then? Please go spout your pointless nonsense somewhere else.

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          • #6
            So unless we accept Woodwards vacuous conclusions as true, we don't get a rebuttal? Interesting variation on free speech you got going on over there.

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            • #7
              Apparently inconvenient facts are the same thing as vacuous conclusions in the mind of a massive ******.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tupac Shakur View Post
                Thought we should get this on the record before March 1st hits and Oerdin et al. start complaining about evil Republican budget cuts.
                I've been mostly ignoring the news lately; is there any particular reason why Congress and the President can't or won't just kick this sequester thingy down the road at the last minute like they did with the Horrendous Awful Fiscal Cliff of Irresistible Doom?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tupac Shakur View Post
                  Apparently inconvenient facts are the same thing as vacuous conclusions in the mind of a massive ******.
                  This is the same junk he was peddling last October, and like a convenient little partisan troll you're taking the shot. Oh sorry I forgot, you're actually an independent, despite every political attack you make being on the left. #golfclap

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                  • #10
                    My god Kentonio. I'd ask if you were stupid, but we already know the answer to that.

                    PS: For the inevitable oerdinism "WELL BOB WOODWARD IS A CONSERVATIVE HACK", this is the guy that brought down Nixon. You know, the Watergate guy?
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                    • #11
                      And yes, Obama is lying through his god damn teeth.
                      If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Elok View Post
                        I've been mostly ignoring the news lately; is there any particular reason why Congress and the President can't or won't just kick this sequester thingy down the road at the last minute like they did with the Horrendous Awful Fiscal Cliff of Irresistible Doom?
                        Because Obama is insisting that an end to the sequester come with essentially another "stimulus" bill, and a permanent increase in federal spending when we're already spending insanely more money than we have.
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                        • #13
                          I'm confused now. I was watching Fox News last night.

                          They had some black lady on who didn't like the sequestration, and she was obviously a socialist Obama lover which no one agreed with even if they were agreeing "in logic".

                          There was a WWE announcer (is he on Fox very often? I'll have to watch more if so ... he's awesome!) who loved the sequestration and was having visions of being to be able to suplex some public school teachers off the top rope. He seemed to represent redneck conservatives.

                          There was some other guy who didn't talk and/or was totally forgettable.

                          The hostess was with the WWE announcer, and seemed to think we'd all die if we didn't sequesterate right now, and that Obama was to blame if we did all die from not sequesterating.

                          There was a white nerdy looking guy who didn't like sequestration and said it was a distraction from the real problems, but I have no idea who he is supposed to represent since he sounded reasonable.

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                          I'm going to ignore everything that everyone has said about this and guess that (shockingly) neither side wanted to budge so both sides eventually agreed to a stupid option in hopes avoiding it would eventually force the other side to budge ... which (shockingly) neither side has done yet. Now both sides are confused about whether they should distance themselves from it for it being stupid, or claim it as a victory by getting the other side to do something stupid.

                          Our government in a nutshell. Only the stupid things have a chance to get done.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Elok View Post
                            I've been mostly ignoring the news lately; is there any particular reason why Congress and the President can't or won't just kick this sequester thingy down the road at the last minute like they did with the Horrendous Awful Fiscal Cliff of Irresistible Doom?
                            The sequester was actually part of the "fiscal cliff", so it's already been kicked down the road once.

                            Remember earlier this year how we supposedly "avoided" that thing called the fiscal cliff, that act of congressionally-mandated stupidity that threatened to wreck the economy with a $600 billion hit of austerity? Well, it turns out, not so much.

                            Instead, what we did was blow up the ginormous chunk of austerity into several little pieces. Some of its parts were vaporized, never to bother us again. But large chunks of the austerity asteroid -- austeroid? -- made it through to hit the economy anyway. The payroll tax cut expired, for example, contributing to a hit to economic growth of 1.5 percent from the fiscal-cliff "solution" everybody cheered. For an economy bumping along at 2 percent growth, that is a significant blow. And now another chunk of the austeroid is about to slam into the economy, a series of deep automatic spending cuts called, for dumb Washington reasons, the "sequester," to take effect on March 1.


                            They could theoretically kick it down the road again, but many Congressional Republicans feel like they have to cut spending somehow to prove to their constituents that they're making progress on curtailing deficits. Practically everyone agrees that the sequester is a stupid way to cut spending since it makes cuts across the board and targets discretionary spending rather than mandatory spending (which is the real fiscal problem for the country), but it's also probably the only way Republicans in Congress can cut spending when faced with a Democratic Senate and President uninterested in curtailing spending because the sequester will take place automatically if Congress and the President can't agree to replace, postpone, or undo it.

                            The House has passed alternate cuts (which they think are more intelligently targeted) of equal value to replace the sequester cuts. The White House and Senate have said they won't agree to any replacement of the sequester that doesn't increase tax revenues, but Republicans are refusing to do that because they just agreed to increase tax revenues during the fiscal cliff deal in January. Tax revenues were also supposed to be off the table based on the 2011 debt ceiling deal that created the sequester, as Woodward pointed out. So, basically, the GOP won't raise taxes again, Obama won't approve a deal unless taxes are raised some more, and the sequester takes place automatically on March 1st if a deal to replace it isn't reached. Everyone involved seems to have given up on a deal and is busy trying to assign blame to the other side, so the sequester is almost certainly going to take place.

                            I hope that clarifies things.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                              My god Kentonio. I'd ask if you were stupid, but we already know the answer to that.

                              PS: For the inevitable oerdinism "WELL BOB WOODWARD IS A CONSERVATIVE HACK", this is the guy that brought down Nixon. You know, the Watergate guy?
                              Which is utterly irrelevant. Woodward hit a gold mine, and he's been hard pressed to come up with anything since, so he's veered more partisan. He seems to "attack" if you can call it that, those who don't give him inner circle access.

                              And yes, Obama is lying through his god damn teeth.


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